REAL FOOTBALL Thread

yeezus said:
LMAO Ryan. LMAO. Love it man. Homers gonna homer.
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Ryan's DYAR by season same season as Romo

2008 - Ryan 1,012 Romo 713
2009 - Ryan 702 Romo 1,432
2010 - Ryan 1,120 Romo 334
2011 - Ryan 1,118 Romo 1,344
2012 - Ryan 1,196 Romo 1,156
2013 - Ryan 1,124 Romo 839

So that gives us a 6 year sample, and Ryan bested him 4 out of 6 times. Only thing Romo has is his highs are higher, but his lows are lower.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes, because it weighs the important things, like scoring, gaining first downs, and so on so forth.
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Thats fine. You can close your eyes all you want. Stats are meant to be used in connection with watching the game as a corroborating factor and not hte final decision.

Romo has a stronger arm and has more escability than Ryan. In a big game those things matter.
 
zitothebrave said:
Ryan's DYAR by season same season as Romo

2008 - Ryan 1,012 Romo 713
2009 - Ryan 702 Romo 1,432
2010 - Ryan 1,120 Romo 334
2011 - Ryan 1,118 Romo 1,344
2012 - Ryan 1,196 Romo 1,156
2013 - Ryan 1,124 Romo 839

So that gives us a 6 year sample, and Ryan bested him 4 out of 6 times. Only thing Romo has is his highs are higher, but his lows are lower.
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Yeezus asked me to post this:

Leaving out that one year where Romo was hurt, Romo wins 5484 to Ryan's 5152. Clearly superior my ass. No one thinks that.
 
Stronger arm, yet, escapability, debateable, they've taken nearly the same number of sacks. Ryan's stronger than Romo in decision making and reading. Which is more important than arm strength. Romo is very good, but Ryan is younger, and does more to win. For example Romo on his career has 20 4th Quarter Comebacks and 23 Game winning drives, Ryan in less games has 17 4th quarter comebacks and 24 game winning drives. Romo has compiled a 68-46 record, Ryan has compiled a 62-38 record. If you look at other things, they're close, but Ryan is younger, and still improving. Romo is older and is remaining stagnant.
 
zitothebrave said:
6 weeks into the season it's hard to paint the full picture. For a comparison, in a much healthier sample, the Braves looked really good in late May.

Dallas could easily start derping things up. And I don't mean a good Phillip Rivers type of derping.
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I am as adamant about the Cowboys being an NFC power as I was about the Braves being terrible in May. They won't come down to week 17 with a playoff spot on the line, that much may be wrapped by Thanksgiving or first week December. Ball control offense is a wonderful thing.
 
thethe said:
Yeezus asked me to post this:

Leaving out that one year where Romo was hurt, Romo wins 5484 to Ryan's 5152. Clearly superior my ass. No one thinks that.
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Ryan still wins 3-2. DYAR is like UZR, it moves year to year depending on replacement value. I could point to DVOA (which for those who don't know is expressed as a percentage where being further above 0 is good) if you prefer, it would be kinder to Romo's injury season.

2008 - Ryan 25.3 Romo 12.9
2009 - Ryan 12.4 Romo 28.0
2010 - Ryan 18.0 Romo 13.3
2011 - Ryan 18.7 Romo 26.8
2012 - Ryan 16.5 Romo 14.8
2013 - Ryan 13.3 Romo 11.5

So on a per snap basis Ryan has been better than Romo 4 out of 6 seasons. Again. Romo has better highs, and lower lows.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
I am as adamant about the Cowboys being an NFC power as I was about the Braves being terrible in May. They won't come down to week 17 with a playoff spot on the line, that much may be wrapped by Thanksgiving or first week December. Ball control offense is a wonderful thing.
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And if Demarco MUrray tears an ACL or Romo gets hurt, things will look different. Or if Romo say starts really derping in up, or any number of other things that can happen. What about the Lions who were 6-3 going into the last few weeks, and I coudl site other ones.
 
zitothebrave said:
And if Demarco MUrray tears an ACL or Romo gets hurt, things will look different. Or if Romo say starts really derping in up, or any number of other things that can happen. What about the Lions who were 6-3 going into the last few weeks, and I coudl site other ones.
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If Murray gets hurt there is Randle, if he gets hurt there is Dunbar, and then there is Va Tech's Ryan Williams. And I am sure Brandon Weeden can hand the ball off and throw the ball well enough. Depth is wonderful.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
If Murray gets hurt there is Randle, if he gets hurt there is Dunbar, and then there is Va Tech's Ryan Williams. And I am sure Brandon Weeden can hand the ball off and throw the ball well enough. Depth is wonderful.
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You really want to compare those backups to the Cowboys starters? Murray is on pace to have one of the best seasons of a RB of all time. After busting through 1,100 yards in 14 games, he's well on his way to a potential 2000 yard season. You don't just replace that.
 
zitothebrave said:
You really want to compare those backups to the Cowboys starters? Murray is on pace to have one of the best seasons of a RB of all time. After busting through 1,100 yards in 14 games, he's well on his way to a potential 2000 yard season. You don't just replace that.
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You underestimate Randle especially, and you will see more of him going forward. Already talk of decreasing Murray's workload.
 
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