Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

My thing is:

Let's give Hart the benefit of the doubt and assume he had a good idea on Heyward's demands. If you have a trade in place, what is the harm in picking up the phone before pulling the trigger, and saying something like:

"Jason - I wanted to check with you again on potential extension. Otherwise, we have a deal in place to move to you. Are you interested in negotiating?"

But no - John assumed he'd not be interested.
 
thewupk said:
Bad contracts have been eaten before. Vernon Wells?
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Yup. Dan Uggla? B. J. Upton?

It just so happens the Braves are in the middle of eating two of those while trying to recover from the Lowe and Kawakami deals. With 22,000 fans showing up, I can't fathom any reason they can't just swallow those and continue to be contenders.

Those of you that believe there's a better pitching prospect in our system than the three we just traded for in the last two days ought to (or maybe have been) hang out with Shanks a little more. Sims is still listed as our #1 because Mayo doesn't want to embarass the organization - if he ever turns out better than any of them, I'll be shocked.
 
So now the argument is, the Braves never once in the 5 yrs he has played in ATL reached out to the Heyward or his agent to even gauge what type of contract he was seeking. Instead, the Braves front office assumed he wanted to leave or hated him so much that they shipped him out on the 1st bus out of town in an effort to rid the team of prominent metro Atlanta black players.

Or is it possible you simply hate this trade enough that you are willing to grasp at any irrational explanation?
 
thewupk said:
Bad contracts have been eaten before. Vernon Wells?
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BTW, the Blue Jays (who signed Wells to that *hitty deal) traded him for LESS THAN one season of control of Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera.

On January 21, 2011, Wells was traded to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, in exchange for catcher Mike Napoli and outfielder Juan Rivera.[9] Angels' owner Arte Moreno insisted on the trade, and reportedly told Tony Reagins, the general manager, that he would be fired if he did not acquire Wells within 24 hours.[10]

Wells started out the season hitting below the Mendoza Line through the first month-and-a-half of the 2011 season. At the All-Star break, his batting average improved to .222. Wells "heated up" during the months of June and July, hitting 11 home runs combined in those months, after hitting only four in the previous two. In his first game back in Toronto on August 12, Wells received a standing ovation before his first at bat, and followed that up by taking the first pitch of the at bat thrown by Brandon Morrow over the left-center field fence. In 2011, he batted .218, the lowest batting average of all major league ballplayers with 512 or more plate appearances, and also had the lowest on-base percentage (.248).[11]
 
BremanFan88 said:
So basically Hart is spinning Jason wanting to get to get through his arbitration years as not wanting to sign a long term extension. Apparently he should of gone to them with that first because our FO is fairly obtuse and not capable of negotiating with Jason Heyward. Pretty much lets us know that they don't value Heyward.
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Just as much as Heyward's spinning the "fact" the Braves didn't want him.

All 30 teams in baseball "want him" - the Braves were told his price, and after he delivered another mid .700 OPS season they decided he wasn't worth that to them.

For all the credit everyone seems so willing to heap on the Cardinals' brass for being so smart, do you honestly think they're going to give him $20+ million if he puts up another season like he's been doing when they've got Grichuk and other better offensive players laying around - especially when they've been contenders when they haven't had a great defensive RF like him???
 
Carp said:
So now the argument is, the Braves never once in the 5 yrs he has played in ATL reached out to the Heyward or his agent to even gauge what type of contract he was seeking. Instead, the Braves front office assumed he wanted to leave or hated him so much that they shipped him out on the 1st bus out of town in an effort to rid the team of prominent metro Atlanta black players.

Or is it possible you simply hate this trade enough that you are willing to grasp at any irrational explanation?
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The latter is actually less likely than the former, in this absurd case.
 
thewupk said:
Sure and the apparent failure since the team apparently needs to be blown up based on 6 bad weeks. I think there is zero chance Heyward gets traded if the team makes the playoffs this year. They try to ride it out again next year and win it all. 6 weeks is all it took to change their mind.
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They "blew up the team"? I misunderstood. I thought they traded one year of Jason Heyward for two pretty good pitching prospects.

My mistake.
 
Just got home from the road and don't have time to read all 50 pages but wanted to give my 2 cents worth. The Braves were going to lose Heyward and pay him and Walden about 11 million. They will pay Miller 500k next season and have him locked up for 4 years. Jenkins has potential. This along with the money we're not paying Santana is around 24 million. There are going to be more moves. You can't emotionally attach yourself to the name on the back of the jersey. I liked Heyward. He's a nice guy. He never lived up to what we thought we had. He very well may in the future but we can't spend the money to find out. We move on.
 
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