Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

JohnAdcox said:
This is correct. Frankly, unless we get Stanton, Trout, Price, and Kershaw for, say, BJ, Johnson, and the released Uggla, I fully intend to stay miffed for the foreseeable future.

Logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nothing.

Because in a lot of ways, the trade makes perfect sense. And it's also clear that I don't see the endgame. I admit that. And you know what? I don't care. Not even a little. No, I can't justify that. Don't intend to try. I DON'T root for laundry, and Jason Hayward entertained me. I liked the way he represented the team and my hometown, and I have no intention of being talked out of it with all your fancy "facts" and "logic." Yes, I can be downright Republican at times (a sentence I never dreamed I'd type.)

Baseball is a business to the people in the business. To the fans, it's a passion. The day that's no longer true is the day we stop tuning in and stop buying tickets. Until then, we Heyward fans are going to whine. And we're bloody well going to enjoy it.
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At least your honest
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I think the pitcher plus one of the young infielders is plausible. And I happ to be aware that the boss wants to unload Saunders. Eating a little cash on Mel plus Gattis makes that half plausible.

I think we disagree a little bit on what Upton could bring. And I really think Saunders can be had for not much. If we had to adjust with another player/prospect, fine. But don't think Seattle wouldn't be very interested if you offered them both big boys.
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Even DOB states the Ms are not going to give up Walker for 1 year of JUp:

http://emeraldcityswagger.com/2014/11/21/mariners-trade-rumors-ms-linked-justin-upton/

And I think they are right...6 years of Walker is worth more than 1 year of JUp at $14M. Seattle does have other pieces that would interest the Braves though. The young IFers Miller and Taylor as well as their current RFer Saunders. Miller hits LHed, so I think he would be the target so he could platoon with Goss and CJ at 2B and 3B until Peraza is ready.

I think a trade along the lines of Gattis/JUp for Walker/Miller/Saunders makes a lot of sense. Walker completes the rotation, Miller plays 2B/3B, and Saunders replaces Heyward in RF. The Braves could then sign Tomas for LF.

This makes a lineup towards the end of 2015 and beyond of:

C - CB
1B - Freeman
2B - Peraza
3B - Miller/CB
SS - Simmons
LF - Tomas
CF - Saunders/who knows
RF - who knows/Saunders
Bench - Goss, BJ, backup C, LHed hitter
Rotation - Teheran, Wood, Walker, Minor, Miller
 
Enscheff said:
Even DOB states the Ms are not going to give up Walker for 1 year of JUp:

http://emeraldcityswagger.com/2014/11/21/mariners-trade-rumors-ms-linked-justin-upton/

And I think they are right...6 years of Walker is worth more than 1 year of JUp at $14M. Seattle does have other pieces that would interest the Braves though. The young IFers Miller and Taylor as well as their current RFer Saunders. Miller hits LHed, so I think he would be the target so he could platoon with Goss and CJ at 2B and 3B until Peraza is ready.

I think a trade long the lines of Gattis/JUp for Walker/Miller/Saunders makes a lot of sense. Walker completes the rotation, Miller plays 2B/3B, and Saunders replaces Heyward in RF. The Braves could then sign Tomas for LF.
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Well, you get four years of controlled RH power if you're the Mariners. That's worth more than IF and Saunders.

Saunders played RF, but is a CF. Above average in CF.
 
Enscheff said:
Even DOB states the Ms are not going to give up Walker for 1 year of JUp
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Slight overstatement.

"top pitching prospect TWalker isn't untouchable for #Mariners, it sounds like. But probably take more than 1-yr of JUp to get him." -- DOB

Seattle could very well come around around and make the trade straight-up, it's still early days.

I would hope that we wouldn't need to include Gattis just to secure Walker. Saunders and Miller are nice pieces, but Gattis could potentially command premium talent (which they are not.)
 
Enscheff said:
Even DOB states the Ms are not going to give up Walker for 1 year of JUp:

http://emeraldcityswagger.com/2014/11/21/mariners-trade-rumors-ms-linked-justin-upton/

And I think they are right...6 years of Walker is worth more than 1 year of JUp at $14M. Seattle does have other pieces that would interest the Braves though. The young IFers Miller and Taylor as well as their current RFer Saunders. Miller hits LHed, so I think he would be the target so he could platoon with Goss and CJ at 2B and 3B until Peraza is ready.

I think a trade along the lines of Gattis/JUp for Walker/Miller/Saunders makes a lot of sense. Walker completes the rotation, Miller plays 2B/3B, and Saunders replaces Heyward in RF. The Braves could then sign Tomas for LF.

This makes a lineup towards the end of 2015 and beyond of:

C - CB

1B - Freeman

2B - Peraza

3B - Miller/CB

SS - Simmons

LF - Tomas

CF - Saunders/who knows

RF - who knows/Saunders

Bench - Goss, BJ, backup C, LHed hitter

Rotation - Teheran, Wood, Walker, Minor, Miller
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The article you cite is by the Mariners' blog writer and his premise is that Saunders and Upton are equal players.

Perhaps he's the Mariners version of Shanks.
 
Hawk said:
Slight overstatement.

"top pitching prospect TWalker isn't untouchable for #Mariners, it sounds like. But probably take more than 1-yr of JUp to get him." -- DOB

Seattle could very well come around around and make the trade straight-up, it's still early days.

I would hope that we wouldn't need to include Gattis just to secure Walker. Saunders and Miller are nice pieces, but Gattis could potentially command premium talent (which they are not.)
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...but if Gattis gets you some secondary help, firms up Walker and helps you offload Melvin, I think you grit your teeth and do it.
 
Probably not getting Walker straight up but if the M's want him bad enough....
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Who gives a **** about Heyward? The thread is about Upton and Heyward is a Cardinal.
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You don't amputate someone's arm and then decide you want to talk about shoes and get pissed when they still want to talk about their arm. Not this soon. At least wait until they learn to tie their shoelaces with one hand.
 
thethe said:
Pitchers face more batters in a season than a position player gets at bast
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Honestly, I think a dream scenario is trading Justin to the Mariners for Walker then signing Tomas. That's great short and long term value.
 
emk418 said:
Honestly, I think a dream scenario is trading Justin to the Mariners for Walker then signing Tomas. That's great short and long term value.
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That could be the plan, whether it happens is another story.
 
thethe said:
Pitchers face more batters in a season than a position player gets at bast
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Heyward plays defense as well.

Still waiting to hear what sense it makes to be meeting with a 31-year-old pitcher that will command north of 20 million when we're apparently trying to unload money and aren't interested in being good the next two years.
 
Hawk said:
Slight overstatement.

"top pitching prospect TWalker isn't untouchable for #Mariners, it sounds like. But probably take more than 1-yr of JUp to get him." -- DOB

Seattle could very well come around around and make the trade straight-up, it's still early days.

I would hope that we wouldn't need to include Gattis just to secure Walker. Saunders and Miller are nice pieces, but Gattis could potentially command premium talent (which they are not.)
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If we're signing Tomas I'd be fine adding another piece with Justin for Walker. Not sure what shape their bullpen is in but maybe David Carpenter as a start? I wonder if they would have any interest in CJ.
 
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