Ferguson....

jpx7 said:
Not sure what's funny about it. Evidence differs as to Brown's exact actions in this ordeal, but we know Wilson shot an unarmed man from a considerable distance—an act exhibiting an unholy mix of cowardice and thuggery.
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What distance was it?
 
jpx7 said:
Not sure what's funny about it. Evidence differs as to Brown's exact actions in this ordeal, but we know Wilson shot an unarmed man from a considerable distance—an act exhibiting an unholy mix of cowardice and thuggery.
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And self-defense.
 
jpx7 said:
Well considering I entirely disagree with you about the evidentiary merits of this case, and personally think Wilson committed a crime: yes.
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Well, darn, wish you were on the grand jury to be one of 12 then.
 
yeah Giles. It's not like the witnesses and even DNa says that Brown was in the car or standing right beside the car when he was initially shot.
 
jpx7 said:
From everything I've read, about one-hundred-and-fifty feet from Wilson's vehicle and about forty feet from Wilson himself.
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If 40 feet is accurate, that is 13 yards. Assuming he can cover 40 yards in 6 seconds, that leaves roughly 2 seconds for Brown to cover while charging Wilson (a very conservative estimate) That is Brown covering the whole 13 yards, when all he has to do is get within arm's length of Wilson.......or 2 yards. Wilson didn't have a whole lot of options to choose from to stop a 300 pound person charging at him.
 
gilesfan said:
Wilson didn't have a whole lot of options to choose from to stop a 300 pound person charging at him.
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He'd already shot Brown from forty feet. He thus certainly had the option of not shooting him eleven more times.
 
Perhaps, if Darren Wilson was so afraid for his life—and so bad at strategizing alternatives—as his defenders claim, then he shouldn't have entered law-enforcement in the first place.
 
jpx7 said:
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He'd already shot Brown from forty feet. He thus certainly had the option of not shooting him eleven more times.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 of the shots were in the car when Brown was grabbing for the gun. He was then shot 4 times as he was charging toward Wilson. Based on the evidence provided to the grand jury, he continued his charge toward the officer as he was getting shot.

Who wouldn't be in fear of their life with a 300 pound person grabbing for your gun or charging at you? This might be the worst defense of brown I've hear. The officer shouldn't defend himself?
 
gilesfan said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 of the shots were in the car when Brown was grabbing for the gun. He was then shot 4 times as he was charging toward Wilson.
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I may have misread, "total during altercation" for "total after Brown fled the initial altercation", but that's nonetheless nine more shots than Wilson needed to fire even if Brown were "charging".

gilesfan said:
Based on the evidence provided to the grand jury, he continued his charge toward the officer as he was getting shot.
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It's unclear whether he was "charging" or simply falling.

gilesfan said:
Who wouldn't be in fear of their life with a 300 pound person grabbing for your gun or charging at you? This might be the worst defense of brown I've hear. The officer shouldn't defend himself?
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I hold police to a much higher standard than civilians—they should be held to a much higher standard, as they choose to become servers and protectors entrusted with the state's monopoly on force, lethal and otherwise (though they sadly seem to ever-more-rarely opt for "otherwise" in recent times)—so yes: the officer shouldn't have "defended himself" with lethal force even if a three-hundred-pound man was running him. There are alternatives, but for a lot of massively ****ed up and unjust reasons—not all of which are directly the fault of Darren Wilson, mind you—the officer did not avail himself of those alternatives.
 
jpx7 said:
I may have misread, "total during altercation" for "total after Brown fled the initial altercation", but that's nonetheless nine more shots than Wilson needed to fire even if Brown were "charging".

It's unclear whether he was "charging" or simply falling.

I hold police to a much higher standard than civilians—they should be held to a much higher standard, as they choose to become servers and protectors entrusted with the state's monopoly on force, lethal and otherwise (though they sadly seem to ever-more-rarely opt for "otherwise" in recent times)—so yes: the officer shouldn't have "defended himself" with lethal force even if a three-hundred-pound man was running him. There are alternatives, but for a lot of massively ****ed up and unjust reasons—not all of which are directly the fault of Darren Wilson, mind you—the officer did not avail himself of those alternatives.
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It isn't unclear on him charging, what more evidence would you like?

The options are to run or to shoot. A police officer job description doesn't include "do not fire while being attacked because you are held to a higher standard"
 
Holy ****. There are alternatives the officer could have taken when he was being charged by a 300lb person?

Wtf alternatives are?
 
Giles, Zito called us racists.

I Guess that means we won the argument. They can't argue the facts so they resort to name calling.

Seriously Though jpx7, if the cop wasn't allowed to shot the 300lb dude charging him, what was the cop supposed to do?
 
jpx7 said:
the officer shouldn't have "defended himself" with lethal force [even if a three-hundred-pound man was running him. There are alternatives....the officer did not avail himself of those alternatives.
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I'd like to hear what alternatives you think are appropriate against a man that just assaulted and tried to take the gun of an officer, and is coming back for more?

A taser? Yeah right...Can they be effective, sure, but I've seen people get hit with them and shrug it off like its no big deal.

OC Foam? Yeah I've also seen it stop a threat, but I've also seen it enrage people and make them want to fight more, so it's definitely not something I'd rely on in a situation like that.

So, what other alternatives would you like? I'm eagerly awaiting the answer...
 
Hah, amazing. We are told that Wilson should have done something else and yet we never hear what that is.

I suppose he should have let just let Brown charge him.
 
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