Ferguson....

The underlying implication is that there are unarmed (thank god) black men walking the streets who will, completely unprovoked, attack police officers in vehicles with their bare hands.
 
Still waiting to hear what alternatives should have been used by Officer Wilson...besides Runnin's funny suggestion of the Hollywood "shoot 'em in the kneecap", no one else seems eager to answer the question. Maybe it's because there was no other logical and practical alternative. Hmmm.....
 
Tomahawking4life said:
Still waiting to hear what alternatives should have been used by Officer Wilson...besides Runnin's funny suggestion of the Hollywood "shoot 'em in the kneecap", no one else seems eager to answer the question. Maybe it's because there was no other logical and practical alternative. Hmmm.....
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Correct me if I'm wrong here. Cops go through training. Kinda similar to a soldier? It's not like someone walks into a precinct says I want to be a cop and they throw them on the street. Part of that training as I understand it is related to the proper way of disabling people in hand to hand combat, and how to escalate. You're right, maybe a taser or other ways wouldn't have worked, but we don't know that they wouldn't have because he didn't escalate, he went straight to 11. I get it he was certainly scared. He had been punched, he claimed to have feared for his life, and here was this guy coming towards him. Easy justification to shoot, but that's hardly what I'd call the right thing to do.

BTW does anyone on the Wilson never did anything wrong from the get go have a problem reconciling Wilson's tale of events given what we know? Like he was pounded by a flurry of punches by Hulk Hogan that he feared for his life, but he walked out looking like he had a mild case of rosacea?
 
zitothebrave said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here. Cops go through training. Kinda similar to a soldier? It's not like someone walks into a precinct says I want to be a cop and they throw them on the street. Part of that training as I understand it is related to the proper way of disabling people in hand to hand combat, and how to escalate. You're right, maybe a taser or other ways wouldn't have worked, but we don't know that they wouldn't have because he didn't escalate, he went straight to 11. I get it he was certainly scared. He had been punched, he claimed to have feared for his life, and here was this guy coming towards him. Easy justification to shoot, but that's hardly what I'd call the right thing to do.

BTW does anyone on the Wilson never did anything wrong from the get go have a problem reconciling Wilson's tale of events given what we know? Like he was pounded by a flurry of punches by Hulk Hogan that he feared for his life, but he walked out looking like he had a mild case of rosacea?
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How about eyewitness testimony stating that Brown was charging like a football player? This is after he punched Wilson through his cop car and struggled for his gun. What do you think Brown would have done to Wilson if he got his hands on him after Wilson shot him already?
 
sturg33 said:
I don't think Wilson shot him enough!

Here's some fun stats:

- Law officers facing charges are incarcerated 12% of the time. General public is 48%

- Excessive force is the most common allegation of police misconduct (24%). Next highest is sexual misconduct at 9%

- An innocent person is 8 times more likely to be killed by a police office than a terrorist
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What do these numbers have to do with this case?
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
After 24 hours, I still can't find an answer as to how setting businesses on fire, torching police cars, firing guns into the air, and throwing rocks at people is an acceptable way to protest.
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Why shouldn't the community be outraged? What a horrible world that we live in where a pereson can't assault an officer and reach for their gun without being killed.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
After 24 hours, I still can't find an answer as to how setting businesses on fire, torching police cars, firing guns into the air, and throwing rocks at people is an acceptable way to protest.
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Or celebrate a World Series win or Super Bowl championship.
An appropriate protest by another term would be a coffee klatch

Protest is not meant to be "appropriate" .
 
Cop shot an unarmed man 12 times.

Something wrong with that picture - I don't know if that is a crime or not - I am not privy to the info BUT that is some piss pour police work.

I would hope that those blindly giving Wilson the benefit of the doubt would at least recognize this guy was a lousy cop
and these kind of situation seem to find lousy cops
 
A youth robbed a convenience store, attacked an officer and tried to take his gun. Something wrong with that picture and yet nobody is talking about that.

What makes Wilson a lousy cop?
 
zitothebrave said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here. Cops go through training. Kinda similar to a soldier? It's not like someone walks into a precinct says I want to be a cop and they throw them on the street. Part of that training as I understand it is related to the proper way of disabling people in hand to hand combat, and how to escalate. You're right, maybe a taser or other ways wouldn't have worked, but we don't know that they wouldn't have because he didn't escalate, he went straight to 11. I get it he was certainly scared. He had been punched, he claimed to have feared for his life, and here was this guy coming towards him. Easy justification to shoot, but that's hardly what I'd call the right thing to do.

BTW does anyone on the Wilson never did anything wrong from the get go have a problem reconciling Wilson's tale of events given what we know? Like he was pounded by a flurry of punches by Hulk Hogan that he feared for his life, but he walked out looking like he had a mild case of rosacea?
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I truly haven't followed this much, so I have refrained from posting, but z kind of sums up my feelings from arm's length. Cops go through extensive training and maybe this shows they need to go through more. The thing I find odd is that Wilson is 6-4 and weighed 210 pounds at the time of the incident (same height as Brown) and he's contending Brown was tossing him around like a rag doll. Just seems so odd to me.
 
thethe said:
A youth robbed a convenience store, attacked an officer and tried to take his gun. Something wrong with that picture and yet nobody is talking about that.

What makes Wilson a lousy cop?
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Plenty people talking about that. 75 pages here of people talking about that. Post after post on facebook and twitter. Even Ted Nugent talking about that.

Most that are have no idea what happened yet believe to their core they have a dog in the fight.
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What makes Wilson a lousy cop might be the most unintellegent question ever asked here. A cop shoots someone as a last, I mean very last, resort. He shot an unarmed kid 12 times.
Protect and Serve
 
goldfly said:
@cmclymer: Grand juries not resulting in indictments:

Police Officers: 80 of 81

Civilians: 11 of 162,000

#Ferguson

http://t.co/rmHtPlNlun
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Yeah, that's because this should have never gone to a grand jury. There wasn't any evidence to bring charges. Very similar to other police officer involved shootings.

But, they wanted to appease the public, which as a result just ended up with more looting.

The third possible explanation is more benign. Ordinarily, prosecutors only bring a case if they think they can get an indictment. But in high-profile cases such as police shootings, they may feel public pressure to bring charges even if they think they have a weak case.
 
57Brave said:
Plenty people talking about that. 75 pages here of people talking about that. Post after post on facebook and twitter. Even Ted Nugent talking about that.

Most that are have no idea what happened yet believe to their core they have a dog in the fight.
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What makes Wilson a lousy cop might be the most unintellegent question ever asked here. A cop shoots someone as a last, I mean very last, resort. He shot an unarmed kid 12 times.
Protect and Serve
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If you are a cop and someone is trying to reach for your gun and has already beaten you, at what point are you at your last resort?
 
50PoundHead said:
I truly haven't followed this much, so I have refrained from posting, but z kind of sums up my feelings from arm's length. Cops go through extensive training and maybe this shows they need to go through more. The thing I find odd is that Wilson is 6-4 and weighed 210 pounds at the time of the incident (same height as Brown) and he's contending Brown was tossing him around like a rag doll. Just seems so odd to me.
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Brown was 6-4 290
 
gilesfan said:
Yeah, that's because this should have never gone to a grand jury. There wasn't any evidence to bring charges. Very similar to other police officer involved shootings.

But, they wanted to appease the public, which as a result just ended up with more looting.

The third possible explanation is more benign. Ordinarily, prosecutors only bring a case if they think they can get an indictment. But in high-profile cases such as police shootings, they may feel public pressure to bring charges even if they think they have a weak case.
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Its cases like this that warp the numbers that Goldy and Sturg like to present.

This was a clear case of an officer having to defend his life against a thug who was looking for trouble. Its a shame that an officer has to even fear for something like this.

Browns death is Browns fault. Nobody elses.
 
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