Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

[The Tariff King]

You would have to give Gattis or Justin away or would probably mean we couldn't move him.

Justin would probably have more trade value packaged with his brother.

Gattis probably has more trade value overall to an AL team.

Easy decision, if I have to unload one of them to get rid of BJ you do it. That's an extra 15 million a year we can spend.

 

[thethe]

Justin would probably have more trade value packaged with his brother.

Gattis probably has more trade value overall to an AL team.

Easy decision, if I have to unload one of them to get rid of BJ you do it. That's an extra 15 million a year we can spend.

I'd rather roll the dice on BJ regaining 20% of his old form then diminish the return that Upton or Gattis could get you. Ownership should suck it up and just deal with it. Fans are going to be packing that stadium if you spend some more money. BJ was a mistake and the organizatio needs to just deal with it and absorb the costs.

 

[Russ2dollas]

I'd rather roll the dice on BJ regaining 20% of his old form then diminish the return that Upton or Gattis could get you. Ownership should suck it up and just deal with it. Fans are going to be packing that stadium if you spend some more money. BJ was a mistake and the organizatio needs to just deal with it and absorb the costs.

I don't think it's crazy that BJ could get back to replacement level. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible. Plus for every year we pay for him, his contract is more movable. If we are not going to contend then pay him his money and maybe 2 years is easier to move or we can dump with one year left. BJ never sees the inside of Cobb county

 

[The Tariff King]

45 million is a lot.

Gattis is already almost 30, and his true value comes to an AL team.

We could immediately turn around and use the money from BJ and spend it on someone else. Although I'm worried if Markakis is the barometer we've set for free agents it will be a waste anyways.

Besides, I'd rather convince another team there's a chance BJ regains his old form, than hoping he figures it out the next 3 years when he's shown no signs of waking up.

 

[Tapate50]

45 million is a lot.

Gattis is already almost 30, and his true value comes to an AL team.

We could immediately turn around and use the money from BJ and spend it on someone else. Although I'm worried if Markakis is the barometer we've set for free agents it will be a waste anyways.

Besides, I'd rather convince another team there's a chance BJ regains his old form, than hoping he figures it out the next 3 years when he's shown no signs of waking up.

15 Million is a lot per year, but as we are seeing on the FA market it isn't going to get you much of note.

If we are reloading, then get as much talent as possible to supplement the ML roster where that 15 million isn't as necessary rather than move him and overpay a FA when that contract would look bad at the end as well.

Besides, BJ is not movable right now. No one is biting on taking him. If that means you can't get anything for Justin and Gattis then we haven't made the right decision.

 

[50PoundHead]

I don't think it's crazy that BJ could get back to replacement level. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible. Plus for every year we pay for him, his contract is more movable. If we are not going to contend then pay him his money and maybe 2 years is easier to move or we can dump with one year left. BJ never sees the inside of Cobb county

Highest paid pinch-runner/defensive replacement in baseball history.

Seriously, I'm not totally dismissing him and maybe Seitzer can help him get somewhere. I agree it's important not to make him any more of a millstone than he already is and the front office needs to be patient.

 

[Hawk]

I agree it's important not to make him any more of a millstone than he already is and the front office needs to be patient.

I think they were impatient with Uggla. Maybe that's just the frugal in me.

 

[Hawk]

In Harts interview tonight, every answer he gave started with "Look" whether it was about the team, finances, a player, his golf game, and getting into the swing of things back in the role he's in. Look!

I thought the montage that opened his interview was hilarious, where they went back and replayed all of his 2014 preseason predictions which were just woefully wrong.

He did pick the Braves as World Series champions, interestingly.

 

[clvclv]

15 Million is a lot per year, but as we are seeing on the FA market it isn't going to get you much of note.

If we are reloading, then get as much talent as possible to supplement the ML roster where that 15 million isn't as necessary rather than move him and overpay a FA when that contract would look bad at the end as well.

Besides, BJ is not movable right now. No one is biting on taking him. If that means you can't get anything for Justin and Gattis then we haven't made the right decision.

Still think Houston might bite on Gattis and B. J. for Fowler, but that's me. If you could clear B. J.'s money in that deal, maybe you could try to extend Justin instead of trading him. With his money gone and Uggla's coming off the books there would be enough to extend both and go into the new park with an OF of Markakis, Fowler, and Justin.

 

[thethe]

I don't think it's crazy that BJ could get back to replacement level. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible. Plus for every year we pay for him, his contract is more movable. If we are not going to contend then pay him his money and maybe 2 years is easier to move or we can dump with one year left. BJ never sees the inside of Cobb county

TO me its just stupid to minimize the value of our two remaining tradeable pieces. Just suck it up and take out some of the oodles of cash ownership is pocketing.

 

[clvclv]

Interesting two-part question posed on XM earlier -

1.) Would Hart take Kyle Crick and Tyler Beede for Justin and Johnson?

And...

2.) Wouldn't it make all the sense in the world for them if they want to contend again this year? They could then take the money they have and go get Shields to go with Bumgarner and Cain in the rotation.

 

[Enscheff]

Interesting two-part question posed on XM earlier -

1.) Would Hart take Kyle Crick and Tyler Beede for Justin and Johnson?

And...

2.) Wouldn't it make all the sense in the world for them if they want to contend again this year? They could then take the money they have and go get Shields to go with Bumgarner and Cain in the rotation.

Umm, if Sabean offers Crick AND Beede for JUp and CJ, Hart better jump on that immediately.

Crick and Beede are both definitely on the level of Walker in terms of value, and maybe even better, so no way in hell is CJ worth either of them.

 

[Dalyn]

I would love to get Fowler if we could rework his contract and add 2016 and the magical 2017 to the end. Speed and a .370+ OBP at the top of the lineup? Yes, please.

 

[jpx7]

Still think Houston might bite on Gattis and B. J. for Fowler, but that's me. If you could clear B. J.'s money in that deal, maybe you could try to extend Justin instead of trading him. With his money gone and Uggla's coming off the books there would be enough to extend both and go into the new park with an OF of Markakis, Fowler, and Justin.

I'd be in favor of that, because it's a clear and cogent use of whatever is saved via jettisoning Mevlin; though I doubt the Braves can unload all $15 million, however much they save isn't worth much unless it's used, as opposed to nebulously "freed up."

 

[MadduxFanII]

DOB is saying on Twitter that the Cubs and Padres are "ramping up" their pursuit of a corner outfielder, though he later clarified that he wasn't saying they were ramping up their pursuit of Upton.

The Cubs would be ideal, even though Justin has a no-trade there. That system is so good and so deep that you can grab a really solid prospect without crossing into Theo's Untouchables territory.

 

[clvclv]

I'd be in favor of that, because it's a clear and cogent use of whatever is saved via jettisoning Mevlin; though I doubt the Braves can unload all $15 million, however much they save isn't worth much unless it's used, as opposed to nebulously "freed up."

As I mentioned in the salary scorecard thread, my best guess is that they'll hold back $5-$6 million in the event they're able to work out something involving B. J.. Fowler's projected to make $9 million this year in his last pass through arbitration. If we ate the difference in 2015 salaries - ~$5,450,000 - that deal essentially becomes 4 years of Gattis and 3 years of B. J. as their 4th OF for Gattis' arb salaries + $31,900,000.

You have to figure Fowler gets somewhere between $12-$14 million per once he becomes a free-agent, meaning they'd only be paying an extra $8 million to B. J. as their 4th OF the last two years of his deal.

Considering Correa should be ready to step into their lineup at the top (replacing Fowler) no later than Opening Day 2016, that could be a pretty good deal for them - Gattis would give them that power bat to protect Springer, and he could slide over to CF and let Marisnick take over RF.

Correa and Altuve in front of Gattis, Springer, and Carter could be a pretty dynamic offense.

 

[bravesnumberone]

DOB is saying on Twitter that the Cubs and Padres are "ramping up" their pursuit of a corner outfielder, though he later clarified that he wasn't saying they were ramping up their pursuit of Upton.

The Cubs would be ideal, even though Justin has a no-trade there. That system is so good and so deep that you can grab a really solid prospect without crossing into Theo's Untouchables territory.

Hard to believe Justin wouldn't want to play in Wrigley 81 games a year. He could hit 45-50 homers.

 

[emk418]

Still not sure what we would get from the Cubs though. Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler would most likely be off limits for a rental. But they still have some interesting pieces.

 

[Tapate50]

Still think Houston might bite on Gattis and B. J. for Fowler, but that's me. If you could clear B. J.'s money in that deal, maybe you could try to extend Justin instead of trading him. With his money gone and Uggla's coming off the books there would be enough to extend both and go into the new park with an OF of Markakis, Fowler, and Justin.

I appreciate your thethe-like optimism.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

I think they were impatient with Uggla. Maybe that's just the frugal in me.

I think if I had to watch Hans waddle back to the dugout one more time after a K, or pat his manly chest "my bad" after an error, I was gonna take Señor Glock and blow a hole in my big screen.

So the frugal in me thanks them.