If the team projects to win 70-ish games, what in the hell difference does it make???
Varvaro traded to Red Sox for RHP Kurcz
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If the team projects to win 70-ish games, what in the hell difference does it make???
chop2chip
Well-known member
I don't know. It might not work out at all, but it's hardly a risk to sign him and the pay off could be a piece. It's essentially a round about way to buy a mid level prospect.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
This is exactly the type of return I was expecting for Varvaro in a trade. A minor league reliever with some potential that doesn't need adding to our 40-man roster.
If you don't think the team will be competitive at all, might as well trade all the vets?
..then what's the point of anything?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Indeed, why is Russell still on the team if we don't care?
Johnson has a better track record and if he gets back to what he was, he is worth substantially more than Vavaro at the deadline. Teams that need an actual closer might actually give us an actual prospect for Johnson. This is pretty much the best return we could hope for Vavaro at basically any stage of his career.
It's a minimal risk, and if doesn't work out, we're are none the worse off. If it does work out, then we have the best closer option on the market come trade deadline. Teams will pay a premium for good closers at the deadline. Not so much for middle relievers with no history of closing.
chop2chip
Well-known member
I would have to think he's gonna be on the block sooner than later.
We really should have Kimbrel on the block too but that's another matter entirely
Assuming Justin and/or Gattis are traded at some point (whether that's in the near future or before the deadline) I'd certainly expect Russell and the others will be moved if they can bring back a useful piece.
It appears they're not going to "wave the white flag" on 2015 until they see if they can get the pieces they want in return for Justin and/or Evan. This is what every member of the front office and Gonzalez have said in every interview I've seen, heard, or read all winter. This has been the company line since the day Hart accepted the job - that they were willing to listen and if they didn't like what they heard they'd proceed from there.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
At least Kurcz has answer to a trivia question value.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
And they give the Cards Walden on top of Heyward when the return sucked.
I was more upset we traded Walden than Heyward, well not really but they didnt need to give them both.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
When you consider what the Braves were trading, a player they had just DFA'd, the return wasn't so bad.
It is definitely worth discussing whether or not Varvaro should have been DFA'd in the first place. Personally I've never been impressed with him, but there are a few others still holding roster spots that have impressed me even less (I'm looking at you, Constanza). The only disadvantage to keeping Varvaro, absent a CJ-like turnaround in his performance, is that he hurts roster flexibility.
It is definitely worth discussing whether or not Varvaro should have been DFA'd in the first place. Personally I've never been impressed with him, but there are a few others still holding roster spots that have impressed me even less (I'm looking at you, Constanza). The only disadvantage to keeping Varvaro, absent a CJ-like turnaround in his performance, is that he hurts roster flexibility.
stpeteirish
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I wish I could remember if the same guys who are crapping their pants over our trading Varvaro were crapping their pants in the game threads every time we put him in a close game.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Bowman reported that Varvaro was being discussed in trade talks back during the winter meetings. So it shouldn't be a big surprise that he was traded. The DFA didn't really effect the deal at all since this was a deal agreed to prior to it. It just didn't go official till after we DFA'd him, that is my take anyway based on how everything was reported, etc.
Further, I think it is safe to say that Constanza will be one of the next to go. I'd also look for Jaime to go and a trade involving Pastornicky to come before the end of spring training too. Pastornicky, like Varvaro and Constanza, is out of options. So if he isn't going to be on our roster it makes sense to move him now. He was also mentioned in trade talks according to Bowman at the winter meetings.
Probably the same guys who were incensed that the Braves Joey Nation a few years back.... (Who?)
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
This has Fredi written all over it. He never liked/trusted Varvaro and now he has a say regarding the roster. I'm thinking the most magical thing about the Magical 2017 Hart keeps talking about is that it will actually happen three years in the future. 2020.
Well, Fredi didn't like Gearrin either unless you count abusing him by making him a pitch a whole month without a day off (which like nsacpi I'd argue led to him going from good-to-ineffective to injured a la Venters, etc). Further, Gearrin also got DFA'd and then released and since signed with the Giants. Bochy will use him right if he makes it back after Tommy John. What a night and day difference that could be for his career too.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yep. I guess in three or four years the team will fire Fredi and then talk about how ****ty he was as a manager and terrible in the clubhouse and how he ruined the Mukaki Rebuild and no one liked him.