Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

thethe said:
I'd rather accelerate the timetable to when we are good again because I don't believe we would have made the playoffs.
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Accelerate the recovery prospect by strengthening the strongest part of our farm system? If we got an awesome position prospect, I'd be OK, we got some quality arms, but our strength in the farm is quality farms. We need power bats we have none but Freeman and Gattis now.
 
Can any of you tell me which of these guys is going to have us in the NLCS or further in 2017? I'm going to love it when we overachieve this upcoming season and are complaining about needing a guy like Justin or Jason in July.
 
zitothebrave said:
Accelerate the recovery prospect by strengthening the strongest part of our farm system? If we got an awesome position prospect, I'd be OK, we got some quality arms, but our strength in the farm is quality farms. We need power bats we have none but Freeman and Gattis now.
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Never fear, DJ Peterson's little brother will bring us the power in 2017. :)

Speaking of the Peterson's, since we just got two in the Justin trade. Should I take it that we plan to stop collecting Johnson's soon and start collecting all the Peterson's? If so, I hope we add DJ to our collection too. :)
 
zitothebrave said:
Accelerate the recovery prospect by strengthening the strongest part of our farm system? If we got an awesome position prospect, I'd be OK, we got some quality arms, but our strength in the farm is quality farms. We need power bats we have none but Freeman and Gattis now.
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When the time comes that we need Player X which would/could be a power hitting outfielder we simply trade from an area of strength which is pitching which is also something almost every team would like back in a trade.
 
blueagleace1 said:
When the time comes that we need Player X which would/could be a power hitting outfielder we simply trade from an area of strength which is pitching which is also something almost every team would like back in a trade.
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So you're telling me I shouldn't buy my Fried Braves jersey anytime soon because he might go in a trade before his 2018 debut in the Majors? :)

PS: Can we trade him for DJ Peterson? I hear we're starting a Peterson collection and want a new brother combo to go with our new ballpark.
 
Braves1976 said:
So you're telling me I shouldn't buy my Fried Braves jersey anytime soon because he might go in a trade before his 2018 debut in the Majors? :)

PS: Can we trade him for DJ Peterson? I hear we're starting a Peterson collection and want a new brother combo to go with our new ballpark.
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You arent funny.
 
Braves1976 said:
So you're telling me I shouldn't buy my Fried Braves jersey anytime soon because he might go in a trade before his 2018 debut in the Majors? :)

PS: Can we trade him for DJ Peterson? I hear we're starting a Peterson collection and want a new brother combo to go with our new ballpark.
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I'm saying that someone like Mike Minor can be used to net us a bat when the time comes. Why would we trade Fried who will be making the league minimum in 2017?
 
thewupk said:
I seriously doubt we'll be doing anything anytime soon as it is.
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I can promise you that the Braves -assuming we keep (and they are healthy) Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran, Wood, Miller, Peraza, and Bethancourt along with the prospects we've gained- will be more competitive in 2017 than we would have been next year if we kept the same team.
 
blueagleace1 said:
I'm saying that someone like Mike Minor can be used to net us a bat when the time comes. Why would we trade Fried who will be making the league minimum in 2017?
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I see you want me to put my serious hat on, okay. I expect we'll trade Minor as soon as he rebuilds his value (likely at the trade deadline this coming season or after the season). I only mentioned Fried in joking because he is hoped to be among our top pitching prospects in 2016-17. I was not serious about trading him or buying his jersey.

That said, I expect the time missed due to Tommy John will push Fried's ETA till late 2017 or 2018 at the earliest. The late 2017 ETA was also cited by Hart too IIRC.
 
Braves1976 said:
I see you want me to put my serious hat on, okay. I expect we'll trade Minor as soon as he rebuilds his value (likely at the trade deadline this coming season or after the season). I only mentioned Fried in joking because he is hoped to be among our top pitching prospects in 2016-17. I was not serious about trading him or buying his jersey.

That said, I expect the time missed due to Tommy John will push Fried's ETA till late 2017 or 2018 at the earliest. The late 2017 ETA was also cited by Hart too IIRC.
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I apologize, I couldn't tell if you were being serious. Yeah I don't expect Fried to pitch for the big-club until 2017 at the earliest. I think they hold on to Minor until they see how Fried is progressing and if Alex and Julio can repeat something close to their 2014 numbers.
 
blueagleace1 said:
I can promise you that the Braves -assuming we keep (and they are healthy) Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran, Wood, Miller, Peraza, and Bethancourt along with the prospects we've gained- will be more competitive in 2017 than we would have been next year if we kept the same team.
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I don't see it as I saw the Braves as a 90 win team. I doubt we're at 90 wins in 2017.
 
thewupk said:
I don't see it as I saw the Braves as a 90 win team. I doubt we're at 90 wins in 2017.
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Hey I respect your opinion but I think we will win 90+ games in 2017. Another thing to consider...

90 wins won't win us the division next year (which keeps us out of the dreaded wild-card game) but come 2017 when the Nationals team will look a lot different -they could possibly lose Jordan Zimmerman, Ian Desmond, Doug Fister, Tyler Clippard, Denard Span, Jerry Blevins, Stephen Strasburg, Wilson Ramos, Drew Storen, and Jose Lobaton by 2017- and so will the Marlins -they could potentially lose Mat Latos, Dan Haren, Jeff Mathis, Martin Prado, Mike Morse, Salty, Steve Cishek, Aaron Crow and Mike Dunn- I think 90 wins would win you the division. As it stands today, the only guys who we would lose before 2017 are: James Russell, Alberto Callaspo, and Jim Johnson. Now granted, I know those two teams won't lose all those guys and they'll sign others (mainly Washington) but it shows that our core group of players -who will have 3 more years experience under their belt- along with any free agents/trades we bring in will have the opportunity to once again be the division favorites for multiple years.
 
Carp said:
Former 2nd runner up for MVP Freddie Freeman isn't a superstar?
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Heyward was way more marketable than Freeman, and even the tv stations knew it. When they'd promote upcoming nationally televised Braves games on ESPN or whatever they'd say "Jason Heyward and the Braves take on _________"
 
The current team is about a 75 win team. We are 20M below payroll and we will presumably add another 30M or so by 2017. So 50M extra to play with, which in the 2017 market will get you 5 wins. That takes you up to 80. Then an extra 5 from the maturation of near-major league talent (Bethancourt, Peraza, Sims). Most likely outcome is an 85 win team, but obviously there is a significant range of uncertainty. We could do the reverse of this off-season and cannibalize the farm system for major league talent for example. I suspect some of that will happen.
 
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