Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

A Padres blog has broken down Braves pickups with a nod towards it being a great haul by ATL.

Here is LINK, but here also are a few hilites!

Fried:
The 6’4/185 lefty was half of what may have been the best 1-2 punch in high school baseball history, with Nationals top prospect RHP Lucas Giolito at Harvard Westlake High School in 2012. Unfortunately, Giolito’s senior season ended prematurely by Tommy John surgery and Fried himself also had the surgery performed on him this past August. Scouts were concerned going into the 2012 draft spring about the unusually high volume of pitches with limited down time on the high school’s pitching program, but these sorts of injuries are always due to a number of factors and some bad luck. Fried was taken #7 overall in the 2012 draft.
Fried was shut down early in 2014 as a precaution, his subsequent MRI was clean, he went on a long rehab program and when he went back to the mound, his elbow popped a few starts into his return. He’s due back on the mound sometime around fall instructional league in 2015.

Mallex:
Smith was a 5th rounder in 2012 out of a Florida junior college and he has an easy tool to buy into: 80 speed. He has instincts to use that speed on the bases, and his 88 regular season stolen bases bear that out. Smith is a little rougher defensively in center field, but that kind of closing speed means only small improvements are necessary to be above average with the glove.

Jace:
Peterson was an under-slot bonus sandwich round pick in the 2011 draft out of McNeese State, but he had limited baseball experience as he also played cornerback on the football team. He may not even have a 55 tool, but Peterson makes the most out of what he has. His average or so speed plays up on the bases and in the field; he came up as a shortstop, but fits better at second base and third base, where his defensive tools profile.
Peterson doesn’t have huge bat speed, power or even the prettiest mechanics, but he has a good approach at the plate, works counts in his favor and gears his in-game swing for contact over power, with a good approach versus lefties.

Dustin:
Peterson is the younger brother of Mariners top prospect D.J. Peterson; D.J. went 12th overall in the 2013 draft out of New Mexico while Dustin went 50th overall to the Padres out of an Arizona high school in the same draft.
He’s a fringy to average runner with a below average arm, so the defensive value will never be huge but Peterson has above average raw power and bat speed as his carrying tools. He has an advanced feel for the bat head, so the tools are here for an everyday player,
 
The thought a year ago was that the Braves could likely only keep Heyward or Upton. Coming into this offseason nothing has changed regardless of what the Braves did in 2014. If you think Heyward has priced himself out of Atlanta's range (which seems to be the case) and the Braves FO didn't value him as much due to him having more value in defense (which seems to be the case) then by all means trade him. The package we got in return wasn't the best imo but it did provide us with a starter that shouldn't suck. If you think Nick can provide positive offense despite being older and meh defense then so be it. The Braves have the money to extend Upton. That still would have been a positive plan going forward despite the fan backlash of losing a home grown player in Heyward. The Braves seem to be caught in between trying not to suck and building for the future. The half ass process rarely gets you anywhere. The Braves got a bunch of quantity instead of quality in the Upton deal because whatever reason the Braves think a bunch of decent prospects are going to help that much. And with Jason they likely pulled a Kotchman type deal and only looked to trade him for a need (sp) instead of the best deal available. Miller is a good piece if you are wanting to contend now as he's cheap and could be very effective. By the time the magical 2017 season happens he will be entering his 2nd year or arby and starting to get expensive. The best part of his current contract (league minimum and cheap years) are wasted on a rebuilding effort.
 
Last year at this time, I was in favor of going all in for the next 2 seasons, bringing in guys like Price and/or a hitter like CarGo. But instead, we stood firm and didn't add anyone of note until Meds and Beachy got hurt in ST. And then we traded more semi valuable pieces throughout the year for spare parts instead trading for impact players.

After the season, we lacked the funds and the prospects needed to add the necessary players to make a serious run at a title. I'd rather not watch the Braves struggle for a playoff spot next year and then end up in the same position we are now, and have no prospects to show for it. I hate punting as much as the next guy, but the alternative could set this team back even further than 2017.

I think the window for this group was larger then last year and this year. We had two major issues going forward and that was Heyward and Upton being free agents. As I said this time last year the thinking was we could keep one but not both. This offseason I don't see how that has changed. If the Braves wanted to pony up for Upton they could have and that likely would have been a wise decision. If the Braves are soon to be flush with cash like so many say then this wouldn't have been an issue. Do that and the rest of the offseason somewhat makes sense going forward. Nick's offense can arguably replace Heyward's and you picked up a solid starter who has upside in Miller. Keep La Stella and 2B should be adequate or fast track Peraza if he shows out in spring training. Find a left platoon for CJ and that spot going forward looks really good. You still have BJ in center sucking but overall that has the makings of a team that can contend and should contend.

The thing about punting is that if you don't go all out then you it could be worse then either option. Yes the chances aren't great for the Braves to win the WS if they had done what I suggested. They aren't great for any team. But it has a better chance for 2015 and possible further then what they are doing right now. And given the option I would always put my best chance forward at winning. You never know when you would have a chance like that again. The core we had was good enough to win with the right tweaks. Why blow it up at the possibility of having another core in 5 years that could win then?
 
I didn't mean to imply I knew how many wins each player will be worth in 2015 and beyond. But I do think that any discussion worth having about the Heyward and Justin Upton trades has to involve expectations about how they affect wins and losses.

Now not every discussion worth having is about forecasts or expectations. One person might like blue because it reminds him of the ocean and another might prefer red because it reminds her of the sunset. And those two can have an interesting conversation.

I suppose it could be some people like Hart's trades because they like his suits and other disagree because they hate his ties. But my impression had been that the basis for the debates around here centered more about the impact on wins and losses of his moves.

But how on earth are we going to have that conversation about our club now, when the clear and obvious discussion should be centered around that miraculous 2017 team?

I understand both trades very much because the net wins Justin and Jason got us after 2015, was most likely a 0. That's really one of the only numbers that matters, to me.

I get you are down on all these trades, it's obvious. I don't get why you won't at least let these players step on a diamond before you deem them unworthy of the price. We just got an exec from SD, and he is probably very familiar with these guys. Relax. Let the players play. I do not believe values for Milb players are not set in stone.
 
I wasn't. I was implying they did it without superstars. They did. They have Buster. Pence is a secondary tier player in every sense of the word. Morse is a journeyman 1b with no glove.

The idea we can't win without superstars is beyond silly. They got great pitching, and they don't have holes up and down the lineup.

Morse is a perfect example of NON-stars stepping up. He's an OK player that happened to have key hits. He could've come to Atlanta for last season and he probably hits .220 with us.
 
Yeah if everything goes right, and we're in the hunt in July, people are going to be posting threads here about needing one more impact bat.

Kind of like Justin Upton.
 
This sounds familiar, MLBTR:

"Justin Upton will not negotiate a contact extension once Spring Training starts, his agent tells MLB Network Radio (audio link). Larry Reynolds says he will “never say no to anything” and “will take it as it comes” when asked by hosts Jim Bowden and Jim Duquette whether Upton is open to an extension with the Padres or is intent on hitting free agency.

Reynolds also acknowledged the Braves never approached him about a long-term contract for Upton, who will earn $14.5MM in 2015, and wasn’t surprised by the trade, especially after Jason Heyward was dealt to the Cardinals. The Padres acquired Upton in a six-player swap with the Braves Friday and may be comfortable with the idea of him being a one-year rental knowing draft pick compensation is possible with a qualifying offer."
 
This sounds familiar, MLBTR:

"Justin Upton will not negotiate a contact extension once Spring Training starts, his agent tells MLB Network Radio (audio link). Larry Reynolds says he will “never say no to anything” and “will take it as it comes” when asked by hosts Jim Bowden and Jim Duquette whether Upton is open to an extension with the Padres or is intent on hitting free agency.

Reynolds also acknowledged the Braves never approached him about a long-term contract for Upton, who will earn $14.5MM in 2015, and wasn’t surprised by the trade, especially after Jason Heyward was dealt to the Cardinals. The Padres acquired Upton in a six-player swap with the Braves Friday and may be comfortable with the idea of him being a one-year rental knowing draft pick compensation is possible with a qualifying offer."

If that's seriously the case again, I am completely baffled by it.
 
Yeah something doesn't smell that great around here. Keep the pieces of crap; don't even approach your actual good players.

To be fair, we have extended some of our key guys, the contracts for Simmons, Freeman, Kimbrel, and Teheran are nice. Also, no one wants our crap. I'm guessing teams wanted a good player from us to take on BJ's contract while giving us nothing of value in return. That's not necessarily the smartest move to make, either.
 
To be fair, we have extended some of our key guys, the contracts for Simmons, Freeman, Kimbrel, and Teheran are nice. Also, no one wants our crap. I'm guessing teams wanted a good player from us to take on BJ's contract while giving us nothing of value in return. That's not necessarily the smartest move to make, either.

Not what I'm talking about. I think it's pretty odd that our FO has just been filled with assumptions about Heyward and Justin.
 
Not what I'm talking about. I think it's pretty odd that our FO has just been filled with assumptions about Heyward and Justin.

Well you said "don't even approach our actual good players" when in fact they have approached some of them and signed some of them.
I agree about Heyward and Upton, if they seriously didn't talk to them this off-season about LT deals I'm confused.
 
Well you said "don't even approach our actual good players" when in fact they have approached some of them and signed some of them.
I agree about Heyward and Upton, if they seriously didn't talk to them this off-season about LT deals I'm confused.

Sorry. Meant to clarify this offseason.
 
This sounds familiar, MLBTR:

"Justin Upton will not negotiate a contact extension once Spring Training starts, his agent tells MLB Network Radio (audio link). Larry Reynolds says he will “never say no to anything” and “will take it as it comes” when asked by hosts Jim Bowden and Jim Duquette whether Upton is open to an extension with the Padres or is intent on hitting free agency.

Reynolds also acknowledged the Braves never approached him about a long-term contract for Upton, who will earn $14.5MM in 2015, and wasn’t surprised by the trade, especially after Jason Heyward was dealt to the Cardinals. The Padres acquired Upton in a six-player swap with the Braves Friday and may be comfortable with the idea of him being a one-year rental knowing draft pick compensation is possible with a qualifying offer."

Yeah, he is not signing a long term deal before FA. Not sure what's breaking news about that.
 
He said he was open to it, but won't negotiate after ST starts.
I haven't read anything that suggests Justin wouldn't have signed an extension before FA.
Nor will he unless they make him the highest paid guy to avoid FA. In either case, is there anyone...just anyone here who thinks we'd have ponied up for what it would have cost? Absolutely not.
 
Every player will sign an extension if you offer enough money. Heywood and Justin would have signed if we offered 10 years 250 million.
 
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