2 cops ambushed and executed In NY

Yep, they should never be held accountable and are above the law

Will we get a breakdown of these police officers history to see if they really area a fallen hero or not? I mean, we get the criminal records etc of every person a cop kills to show they are just thugs. Seems only fair

So if the cops weren't "heroes", does that mean they deserved to die?

Very strange response to cop killings, though it should be expected from you I guess. What if it were a school shooting we were talking about? Would you be asking if the kids that were shot were "good kids"?
 
So if the cops weren't "heroes", does that mean they deserved to die?

Very strange response to cop killings, though it should be expected from you I guess. What if it were a school shooting we were talking about? Would you be asking if the kids that were shot were "good kids"?

not sure, we should look into their past i guess

we would be saying the man had a mental issue and would be interviewing his parents etc but we won't do that here cause he shot 2 cops instead of shooting up a school

not surprised you didn't get the point of me bringing up their past to compare it to the way victims are treated when killed/murdered by police though
 
not sure, we should look into their past i guess

we would be saying the man had a mental issue and would be interviewing his parents etc but we won't do that here cause he shot 2 cops instead of shooting up a school

not surprised you didn't get the point of me bringing up their past to compare it to the way victims are treated when killed/murdered by police though

Does anyone without a mental issue shoot innocent people?
 
the NYPD and their Union being shameful

Leaders of two of the NYPD’s two largest unions, the Sergeants Benevolent Association and Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, laid blame for the killings at the feet of both the mayor and protesters.

A police officer lays flowers at a makeshift memorial at the scene were two police officers were shot in the Brooklyn Saturday. REUTERS
“There’s blood on many hands tonight,” PBA President Patrick Lynch told reporters outside Woodhull hospital, minutes after the two officers’ bodies were removed by ambulance amid a silent salute by about 100 police officers. “That blood on the hands starts on the steps of City Hall in the office of the mayor.”

Mr. Lynch’s comments come less than a week after he circulated a petition among police officers, asking them to tell the mayor not to attend their funerals should they be killed in the line of duty.

Mr. de Blasio said on Saturday night, “I think this is a time to think about these families. I don’t think it’s a time for politics or political analysis.”

****ing disgusting
 
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Guess NYPD can't breathe after all

that's some good trolling after the bull**** shirts/trolling the cops and their supporters put out there during their pro cop rally
 
Link:

Guys read through this and give it a bit of time before going after one another.

"I went to bed last night heartsick and distressed over the shooting deaths of two New York Police Department officers. Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were sitting in their cruiser unsuspecting when an African-American gunman opened fire on them. The gunman made his way from his home in Baltimore, where he shot his ex-girlfriend earlier in the day, to the Bed-Stuy area of Brooklyn where the officers were on duty. After killing the officers the man fled into the subway where he took his own life. Judging from his social media account, he was a deeply troubled man bent on killing officers. His actions were more than cowardly or tragic; they were evil.

There is no biblical, logical or social justification for such violence and wickedness. None. This shooting must be seen for what it is: a heinous and evil act. The damage done is incalculable and irreparable.

Officer Wenjian Liu was a 7-year veteran of the NYPD. He was married two months and before the honeymoon was over his wife finds herself a grieving widow.

Officer Rafael Ramos served the NYPD for two years. He, too, leaves behind a wife and a 13-year old son. Ramos was also a faithful member of his local church. He was to the Christian more than a public servant. He was a brother in the Lord. His wife will mourn today and for a long while to come. His son will grow through his most formative years without the strong hand of his father to guide him. His church will worship this morning feeling the pain of this amputation from the body of Christ.

Getting Justice Right

The wicked and unjust action of a lone, disturbed shooter will result in incalculable loss. Those who protest in favor of the valuing and protection of life, if we would not be hypocrites, must protest just as loudly in support of faithful officers serving our communities. We must not champion a one-sided “justice,” for that’s just favoritism pretending to be righteous. It’s merely a grab for power wielded unevenly.

Dr. King once spoke of the relationship between power and justice, saying, “Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love.” That’s what we want in all of this: power implementing justice, justice correcting everything against love. We must get this right or we will only perpetuate all that’s wrong, all that’s partial, all that’s life and soul destroying.

We cannot let the acts of a lone and disturbed gunman define the protest, whether we find ourselves on the side of protests or against. If we allow this to define anyone, then we’re misrepresenting ourselves or misrepresenting our neighbors. We’re further entrenching our caricatures of self and others, and thereby further entrenching the divide we so badly need to cross if power will be used justly, and justice will correct everything against love for one another.

Compassion Requires Feeling and Action

Today is a time to mourn. But it’s also a time to act appropriately. We cannot call for action in the cases of Garner, Brown, Rice, Crawford and others, then fail to call for action when officers are murdered. That won’t do. Since the shooter took his life, there’s perhaps the sense that there’s nothing to do. But we cannot let that last cowardly act of the shooter rob us of the capacity to do more than speak. We’ve wanted more than talk when we’ve felt wronged. We must give more than talk now that officers have been wronged.

I don’t have it all figured out. I’m still processing my own sense of grief—which seems to keep coming in waves death after death. But compassion is love with work clothes on. Compassion is the work love does or shows. So our posture has to include more than appropriate remarks of sadness and loss. We have to act.

Here are three things that ought to be done by moved observers, especially those like myself who believe in and have called for lawful protests.

1. Moratorium on protests.

This is not the day for debate. This is not the day for making political points. This is not the day to joust with those who have wanted an argument all along. This is a day for solemn reflection, for mourning. For everything there is a season. We have called for empathy in other cases. Let us be quick to show genuine empathy in this matter. That empathy requires a season of silence and mourning with those who now mourn.

2. Refine the message of the protests.

Perhaps in the quiet of mourning, it’s a good time to reflect on the messages that have found their way into some demonstrations. Though the bulk of protests and protestors have been lawful and peaceful, there have been reprehensible comments, chants and actions in some of the demonstrations. If we value life, we cannot have mingled in our protests calls for anyone’s death. Chants for the death of officers are sinful and wicked. They do not come from God who ordains authority and calls his people to respect and pray for those in authority. Protestors must not only distinguish themselves from this but also denounce it.

Though a part of the dynamism of the protests have been their organic, decentralized nature, that’s also a significant weakness when it comes to a consistent, moral message. Organizers must stand against anything that fails the best ideal of protecting and honoring life. And those who take the other view of these matters must not misrepresent lawful protestors by spreading the wicked chants of some as if that’s representative of the lawful. Spreading that message can be as contributory to a toxic environment as being undisciplined and careless as protestors.

3. Get training in non-violent civil protest.

I don’t know what training, if any, has gone into these demonstrations. During the Civil Rights Movement, leaders provided a great deal of training in non-violent methods. Though the gunman doesn’t represent those who call for peaceful protest and those who abhor violence, his method does require we examine and work harder on our method. As I’ve written earlier, an unjust method can destroy a just cause. So we can’t let a knee-jerk defensiveness over wrong attempts to associate this shooter with any marches or an appropriate concern about distinguishing between the lawless and lawful overtake the opportunity to be more disciplined, more orderly, more lawful so that the righteousness of the cause isn’t lost.

CONCLUSION

As a pastor, I’m well acquainted with moments like this, when words seem hollow and flat and grief seems to swell like a tsunami. I’m well acquainted with the powerlessness we feel when events outsize us. The temptation is to speak when we should listen, to hastily “fix” when what is broken cannot be replaced or easily repaired. Even Job’s friends sat several days in silence. We all should do the same, and when we speak again we should try to speak a better word than Job’s “comforters.”

But right now, I want to mourn the lives of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos. They deserve our respect and our compassion. Today is a time to stand together and to mourn together. I pray that at some point we will be able to do that across all the divides that threaten us."
 
yeah, let's keep politics out of this --

Giuliani: "I'm afraid to say it starts with the POTUS, AG, Mayor of NY, many others. And Al Sharpton."

unless of course we have opportunity to use Al Sharpton as a punching bag
So, after the RW gets their shots in then we can call a moratorium.
Which, is the problem !!

As well meaning as intended, I don't think that is going to work
 
Mayor Giuliani on radio here asking everybody to tamp down the rhetoric.And then blames de Blasio for not cracking down on protestors
 
weren't the police in NYC victims of gun violence. Another shooting incident ?
But hey, an unbalanced person shoots and in this case it is Obama,deBlasio and Al Sharpton !!
There was a firearm involved if I'm not wrong
Just saying
 
I guess the WOP that started this really cares...not.

It's a shame that cops now have to be vigilant on their job due to their rogue cop being stupid.

Senseless deaths for these two officers who had no bearing on the Garner incident.
 
so sick of this country always saying "now isn't the time to talk about this"

no, this is the time to talk about this. quit kicking the issue down the street and never come back to it

business as usual for the police isn't good enough anymore and that is what happens if you stop protesting etc
 
I never have any issues with any protests by US citizens as long as they are for the right reasons. What happened to Garner should upset everyone.

However, the rhetoric used to incite more racial tensions is not productive to getting this problem solved. All it does is create more animosity between the cops and the minorities they are here to serve.
 
Protests? If the Tea Party blocked highways, I'm sure Gold and Sav would be more than happy to say that they shouldn't be doing it.

There were people cheering when the two cops were being killed. Absolutely pathetic. And the only reason those two cops were even there is to clean up that neighborhood that those pieces of crap live in
 
so sick of this country always saying "now isn't the time to talk about this"

no, this is the time to talk about this. quit kicking the issue down the street and never come back to it

business as usual for the police isn't good enough anymore and that is what happens if you stop protesting etc

Of course by posting a lengthy article I am not saying don't talk about it ever or at all - I was though encouraging reading the article, and then showing a measure of respect by pausing before launching into blasting one another. Most of this thread is worthless.
 
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