What Hart Hath Wrought

zitothebrave said:
How did we have ZERO shot of keeping him? As I see it if we assume Justin isn't part of long term plans, between Jason, Justin and Uggla that gives us about 34M from those 3 players, we can't allocate a healthy chunk of that to Heyward? Braves chose their bed, they're gonna lie in it. THey're gonna blow money on pitching, that's what will happen, will we get another big 3? Or will we be a team with a lot of ****ty and expensive pitchers? Time will Tell.
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Are we seriously still talking about this? Ramadon explained it in pretty simple terms: Heyward wanted WAY more than the Braves felt he was worth. They were so far apart it didn't even make sense to negotiate.

It is really that simple, and no amount of "well we have player A, B and C coming off the books, so we can afford him!" arguments change that fact.
 
Enscheff said:
Are we seriously still talking about this? Ramadon explained it in pretty simple terms: Heyward wanted WAY more than the Braves felt he was worth. They were so far apart it didn't even make sense to negotiate.

It is really that simple, and no amount of "well we have player A, B and C coming off the books, so we can afford him!" arguments change that fact.
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Zito will never let this go... and we will have to hear him drone on and on about this for the next 3-5 years. Although I thought he was done supporting this team now that we signed AJ.

Sure lets take all this huge amount of money that's coming off the books and throw it at a player who's probably not worth it... good plan.
 
zitothebrave said:
Then don't trade Heyward. If you're not seriosuly improving your team, why cost your team millions in ticket revenue? And lose your only real shot of keeping him?
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If he wont re-sign before FA, whats the use of keeping him?

Miss the playoffs, watch him walk for a comp-pick?
 
thethe said:
How much is that exactly? I have no clue. You have no clue. Is it material to the Braves bottom line? I highly doubt it. And if Markakis has a hot April then all of a sudden there are a bunch of new jerseys to buy.
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The Bravs won't "lose" any more potential revenues than they'd have earned if Jason was here this season than they would've spent paying his salary.

Just for the *ell of it, let's say they don't sell 10,000 Heyward jerseys (at $100 each) - that's $1,000,000 the organization "loses". To get to "break even" on his salary, you'd have to sell 292,000 less tickets (at an average of $25 each) than the Braves did in 2014.

They're NOT losing money because he's not here - attendance would have to drop by 3,604 fans per game to get to that number. The last time attendance dropped that much was between 2000 and 2001 (the year Rico Brogna and Ken Caminiti replaced Galarraga, John Rocker was traded to Cleveland in June and the pen floundered terribly until Smoltz returned from TJS and saved the first 10 games of his career, B. J. Surhoff played LF, John Burkett was the #3 SP, Millwood logged 121 IP with a 4.31 ERA out of the #4 spot in the rotation, and Odalis Perez and Jason Marquis split the #5 SPs starts).

Before someone starts the argument that the attendance would be significantly higher IF we'd have kept Heyward and Upton, remember this...the attendance dropped from 39,930/game in 2000 to 34,858/game in 2001 (-5,072/game) while Chipper (.330/.427/.605/1.032, 38/102, 113 runs) and Andruw (.251/.312/.461/.772, 34/104, 104 runs) were in the prime of their careers and putting up SUBSTANTIALLY better numbers than Heyward and Justin have ever combined to approach.

Attendance dropped 2,400/game between 2013 and 2014 WITH Heyward and Justin in the lineup AND the team was coming off a 96 win season and Division Championship - the city of Atlanta hasn't supported the Braves (regardless of who the players are) IN YEARS.
 
Dalyn said:
I won't argue the merits of the 5 you listed (who at best could be counted on for three to five bad innings in a spot start) other than to point out that YOU just said a couple days ago that the team wouldn't give Ian Thomas any meaningful innings and that he was a DFA candidate. I will also point out that Gus Schlosser is no longer with the Braves.
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In my mentioning the other guys who could start, if we were to need Thomas, the innings he would give us wouldn't be meaningful at all, just someone to eat the innings we lost... Nothing more.

As for your comment on Schlosser, YES he is with us again, after we signed him to a minor league deal. (I'm surprised an expert like yourself didn't know that)
 
blueagleace1 said:
In my mentioning the other guys who could start, if we were to need Thomas, the innings he would give us wouldn't be meaningful at all, just someone to eat the innings we lost... Nothing more.

As for your comment on Schlosser, YES he is with us again, after we signed him to a minor league deal. (I'm surprised an expert like yourself didn't know that)
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I've never claimed I was an expert. Just a devoted fan like most people around here. Like I said in my reply to Braves1976, I missed that Gus signed back with the team on the 15th.

You take a very defensive approach whenever we discuss things. It's weird. People can disagree with you without it meaning they think they are an expert or you aren't or whatever. Opinions. Debate. That's what this place is about.
 
blueagleace1 said:
In my mentioning the other guys who could start, if we were to need Thomas, the innings he would give us wouldn't be meaningful at all, just someone to eat the innings we lost... Nothing more.
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When talking about depth in the rotation in case a starter or two goes down, in my opinion that means pitchers who can make at least a handful of starts without killing the team and/or bullpen. With that in mind, I listed the legit (also my opinion) options we have to do just that.
 
You are being modest. You are the authority on past and future Braves named Martin. Such as Martin Prado and Cody Martin. It is a nice niche.
Dalyn said:
I've never claimed I was an expert. Just a devoted fan like most people around here. Like I said in my reply to Braves1976, I missed that Gus signed back with the team on the 15th.

You take a very defensive approach whenever we discuss things. It's weird. People can disagree with you without it meaning they think they are an expert or you aren't or whatever. Opinions. Debate. That's what this place is about.
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nsacpi said:
You are being modest. You are the authority on past and future Braves named Martin. Such as Martin Prado and Cody Martin. It is a nice niche.
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You should've seen old Ray Martin when the scout showed up at his high school prom (he went on to pitch a complete game in every start in the major leagues).
 
I was gonna ask you about Al Martin. But then I realized he never played for the Braves even though he came up in our system. Do guys who go by Marty fall within your area of expertise.
 
nsacpi said:
I was gonna ask you about Al Martin. But then I realized he never played for the Braves even though he came up in our system. Do guys who go by Marty fall within your area of expertise.
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No. Only Martin, though they can pronounce it weird if they want like Prado.
 
nsacpi said:
I was gonna ask you about Al Martin. But then I realized he never played for the Braves even though he came up in our system. Do guys who go by Marty fall within your area of expertise.
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There's Billy Martin, another Billy Martin, Jack Martin, Ray Martin, Tom Martin, and Martin Prado. Those are the ones who made it to the show.
 
I also know A-D in regards to Cristhian Martinez, Dave Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Marty Martinez, and Pablo Martinez.
 
My own specialty is Braves named Bud or Buddy. At the risk of sounding immodest I'm the leading authority on the Curse of Buddy Hernandez.
 
I must say I'm impressed to see your correct spelling of Cristhian Martinez' first name. Very few get it right.
Dalyn said:
I also know A-D in regards to Cristhian Martinez, Dave Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Marty Martinez, and Pablo Martinez.
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If we had an expert on Braves named Gus this whole Schlosser controversy would never have arisen.
 
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