He was grabbing Petegrew by the jersey, which you cannot see in that camera angle.
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He was grabbing Petegrew by the jersey, which you cannot see in that camera angle.
chop2chip
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At worst for the Lions it should have been offsetting penalties with an automatic first down with the Dez unsportsmanlike penalty. Obviously there was interference on both sides.
But... a non call happens all the time. The lions aren't some special, unique victim. People are upset about referee process and to be honest it's a pretty petty thing to be angry about from a subjective point of view.
Now granted, I understand sturg being angry. His team was on the short stick of an unfortunate event.
The real issue is obvious. The NFL needs to allow coaches' challenges for interference penalties.
But... a non call happens all the time. The lions aren't some special, unique victim. People are upset about referee process and to be honest it's a pretty petty thing to be angry about from a subjective point of view.
Now granted, I understand sturg being angry. His team was on the short stick of an unfortunate event.
The real issue is obvious. The NFL needs to allow coaches' challenges for interference penalties.
Oklahomahawk
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I can see how the Lions feel, I hate to see a flag picked up, if it's the right call make it and stand by it, if not you should train your refs better. Remember how bad the replacement refs were? I said back then they weren't really any worse than the regular ones, they just didn't know who they were supposed to call things on, and who they were supposed to ignore. 
I can remember the 1995 NFC championship game like it was yesterday, the Cowboys were 2 time repeat world champs and they came out and spotted the 40whiners 21 first quarter points and then finally fought their way back and were driving for the tying for the tying TD and Hall of Famer Rod Woodson fell (or dived) on Michael Irvin's legs from behind, a clear case of pass interference. A flag was thrown, because it should have been, but they got together and picked it up, still no idea why. That was a TERRIBLE decision and they asked Woodson about it after the game and he said something like "I was gonna just go crazy if they called that on me" and some other crap. Well Woodson is a Hall of Famer and deservedly so but if he didn't that what he did was pass interference they he was already freakin' crazy. Now you could (and rightly so) blame the Cowboys woes in that game to those 21 1st quarter points, but it still hurts to get screwed by the officials (or even to think you have been) way worse than just losing the game. I've long felt like the NFL has agendas other than fairness but my only problem with that scenario is that they just aren't that damn smart.
I can remember the 1995 NFC championship game like it was yesterday, the Cowboys were 2 time repeat world champs and they came out and spotted the 40whiners 21 first quarter points and then finally fought their way back and were driving for the tying for the tying TD and Hall of Famer Rod Woodson fell (or dived) on Michael Irvin's legs from behind, a clear case of pass interference. A flag was thrown, because it should have been, but they got together and picked it up, still no idea why. That was a TERRIBLE decision and they asked Woodson about it after the game and he said something like "I was gonna just go crazy if they called that on me" and some other crap. Well Woodson is a Hall of Famer and deservedly so but if he didn't that what he did was pass interference they he was already freakin' crazy. Now you could (and rightly so) blame the Cowboys woes in that game to those 21 1st quarter points, but it still hurts to get screwed by the officials (or even to think you have been) way worse than just losing the game. I've long felt like the NFL has agendas other than fairness but my only problem with that scenario is that they just aren't that damn smart.
Really? Cause in this angle, you see clearly see Pettigrew's arm extended towards Hutchins before Hutchins reaches up and makes contact with Pettigrew. No holding in that camera angle either.
Now sure there was holding BEFORE the ball was thrown. But that is not DPI. That is defensive holding.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
DPI was from him hitting him before the ball was there. DPI can be overturned if the ball wasn't catchable.
Worst case scenario you offset the Holding and hands to face and Dez is called for unsportsmanlike.
Again, while the ball was in the air, the WR made first contact with grabbing of the facemask.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That doesn't matter, 2 different penalties.
NinersSBChamps
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Stopped reading when you said NFL referees are excellent.
Of course it matters if you are talking about PI. You can't call PI on two players on the same play. It's one or the other. And after the ball is released, the WR initiates 1st contact with his attempt to create seperation.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Wasn't PI on Pettigrew, he didn't push off. He put his hands on his facemask, that's hands to face, thne the PI happened. 2 different penalties.
chop2chip
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You are right. College referees are far superior. High school even better than that.
Heck. I'm sure the NFL could replace all these guys with just about anyone and get better results. We could call them replacement referees. How novel!
chop2chip
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I'm also not saying that lousy referees don't exist, but I think on the whole that they do as good of job as reasonably expectable.
Regardless, the 1st penalty caused the other. The defender swatted his arm way because the WR was grabbing his facemask.
Your reading comprehension sucks. Plus u can look at different camera angles to see who intiated contact and when. You cant pull one angle where you cant see the LB grab Pettogrew and claim he didnt initiate contact.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
No arm swat. The arm that was outside of Pettigrew's facemask hand made contact, he was an idiot if he tried to break that with his far hand.
You are next level dumb. You've never seen pass interference called on both players? Really?
Also, the LB initiated contact bu grabbing Pettigrews jersey which causes BP to push off (which almost all receivers do and never get called for it). BP didnt grab and pull facemask, it would never be called facemask.
The LB wasnt swatting BPs arm away. He was running directly into him as BP was reachig back for the ball
Outside of heyward i dont know who comes up with stranger ****. At least Cowboys fans acknowledge that the LB ran into Pettigrew. And the league, fellow refs, Pierrera, and even a cowboys defensive back have admitted it should have been PI
chop2chip
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Ryan's interview ended after five or more hours, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported, via a source informed of their situation.
The length of the interview is proof of mutual interest, even if both parties are moving on to their next round of interviews.
The Falcons still have an interview scheduled with Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles on Thursday, per Rapoport.
The length of the interview is proof of mutual interest, even if both parties are moving on to their next round of interviews.
The Falcons still have an interview scheduled with Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles on Thursday, per Rapoport.
chop2chip
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yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
The brief, light grab on Pettigrew as he is running did 100% nothing. The Lions, all-around, were terrible on that play, as they were for most of the 2nd half. Perhaps if the throw isn't terrible, or if Pettigrew doesn't play the ball terribly, or if he actually creates separation, (and nothing Hitchens did prevented this stuff, Stafford and Pettigrew did nothing right themselves) things would be different. They didn't play a better game. They mustered one FG, for a total of three points, the entire 2nd half. Stafford coughed up the ball TWICE in the 4th quarter. Give them a FG on that drive. They still lose. Stop taking away from the plays the Cowboys made that the Lions didn't. There were many. The Lions weren't the better team in the end.
