So it's just a coincidence that he rejoins the organization less than a month after Wren is fired?
Gattis Traded To Astros (pg. 13)
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So it's just a coincidence that he rejoins the organization less than a month after Wren is fired?
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Yeah, because we never developed guys like Gant, Justice, Blauser, Chipper, Andruw, Klesko, or Javy.
Regardless of what the Johns tell you, we've been running our organization the same way all along. By developing good young pitching AND position players and trading whatever surplus we have to fill holes and put us over the top. We're actually now getting away from what we've done since the early 1990's.
With the state of their farm, their major league team, and basically no money to bring in outside talent, yeah that's pretty respectable. I don't believe you realize just how poorly run that franchise was before Moore took over. He basically had to rebuild that franchise and it's farm from the ground up.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
You'd believe our front office if they told you the Earth was flat. I love how you are joining the chorus and acting like Wren was the sole reason WE HAD ONE BAD SEASON IN 6 YEARS.
Reason why royals didn't become good instantaneously was that they actually brought many young player into big league team and it took time. What Braves can do prior to 17 season is use prospects for trades and become good immediately (see what Padres did this year).
Have a strong farm gives the team options.
One bad season? Didn't we win 79 games in one of his first years (not that it was his fault).
But again, was it just a coincidence Clark came back so quicklh?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
SO he joined them after 2006 draft, going into the 2007 season, they were the 11th ranked organizational talent according to BA.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Can you not read? And even two bad seasons in 7 years is ridiculous nitpicking.
So, what? It says more about Schuerholz and our organization as a whole that they let Wren run off our entire scouting department, if that's indeed what happened. But, let's absolve King John from any blame. It's all Wren's fault.
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
The #Braves & #Astros have completed the framework for the trade. Gattis and RHP James Hoyte go to HOU for the 3 aforementioned prospects.
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
All indications are that the Astros were comfortable with what they saw after Gattis' physical.
@mlbbowman
The #Braves & #Astros have completed the framework for the trade. Gattis and RHP James Hoyte go to HOU for the 3 aforementioned prospects.
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
All indications are that the Astros were comfortable with what they saw after Gattis' physical.
I think it shows that they actually gave Wren the power as they should have since he was the GM. Whatever the case it we finally have the scouting department where it needs to be and that more than any individual player has me confidentify about the future.
blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
I'm sorry, and I may be (know I am) the minority in saying this, but I don't see why everyone thinks our offense is automatically going to be worse (if that is possible) than it was last year. Here's why:
Are people assuming that since we traded away two of our power bats, that our offense is going to be worse? As the old saying goes "There's more than one way to skin a cat" why do we have to have guys to hit home runs to score runs? We've taken this approach for the last 3-4 years and have nothing to show for it. Why not take the approach of: Let's get guys who get on-base at the top of our lineup and then guys who put the ball in play (high contact rate with low strikeout rate) in the middle of the order as run producers. So instead of having guys who can hit 25+ homers but strikeout 150+ times, we have guys who are going to hit 10-15 homers (maybe 15-20 if lucky) but only strikeout less than 100 times per year.
In the end, should it matter how the runs are scored whether it be by home runs (in the past) or by getting hits with RISP, as long as they are scored? With us having more guys with higher OBP, shouldn't we have more opportunities to score runs?
Ideally, wouldn't a trade for Allen Craig be ideal now? For these reasons:
1. Shouldn't cost much
2. Can play LF (a better defender than Gattis) and protect Freeman in the order
3. Is under club control thru 2017 with a team option for 2018
Are people assuming that since we traded away two of our power bats, that our offense is going to be worse? As the old saying goes "There's more than one way to skin a cat" why do we have to have guys to hit home runs to score runs? We've taken this approach for the last 3-4 years and have nothing to show for it. Why not take the approach of: Let's get guys who get on-base at the top of our lineup and then guys who put the ball in play (high contact rate with low strikeout rate) in the middle of the order as run producers. So instead of having guys who can hit 25+ homers but strikeout 150+ times, we have guys who are going to hit 10-15 homers (maybe 15-20 if lucky) but only strikeout less than 100 times per year.
In the end, should it matter how the runs are scored whether it be by home runs (in the past) or by getting hits with RISP, as long as they are scored? With us having more guys with higher OBP, shouldn't we have more opportunities to score runs?
Ideally, wouldn't a trade for Allen Craig be ideal now? For these reasons:
1. Shouldn't cost much
2. Can play LF (a better defender than Gattis) and protect Freeman in the order
3. Is under club control thru 2017 with a team option for 2018
High contact rate and low strikeout rate =\= high on base percentage. Pass the pipe.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yeah stupid Wren, everyone and everything he touched turned to dook. John Coppolella wasn't brought in by Wren, he was brought in by Bobby Cox wearing his Frank Wren mask.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
JS is the President. Letting someone "run your organization in the ground" is flat-out irresponsible.
Hard to stop it when the team is winning (mainly because of talent that was inherited)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Our offense will almost certainly be significantly worse than last year.
2B should be better, but not by much. 3B could be better, SS could be better, C will be much much worse, LF will be much much worse, RF will be much worse. CF who knows.
blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
The only two that will be worse will be catcher and left field (and that is still uncertain since we don't know who will be in left). How will RF be much worse? Defensively.. yes! Offensively.. not worse at all, maybe a bit better.