Is all this Braves' rebuilding really necessary?

thethe said:
Hopefully becoming a 310-320 OBP guy. Even with that being awful thats a huge help from being out 75% of the time.

With those modest improvements (as GF said with Simmons) I think the Braves will need to bring 1-2 above average offensive guys (I'd look for low strikeout high OBP guys). I think Peraza is an absolute major leaguer and I think we will get one more out of the current grouping of players. I like Petersons statistical profile but dont know enough about him to consider him a sure thing.

Braves will have to fill CF/LF/2B/3B. The kid we got from Houston is a very highly regarded prospect to the point I think we could say there is a 50% chance he makes it. So you are looking at CF/LF/2B. I think those can be filled by 2017 considering Peraza is most likely the future at 2B.

Again, with the pitching that is being assembled we don't need a powerful offense. We need an offense that can work a pitcher and not flail away.
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CB aint putting that type of OBP up.

So we have:

C- Below average
1B- League average, hopefully slightly better
2B- Hopefully league average bc will be 1-2nd year
SS- League Average
3B- Hopefully league average bc will be 1-2nd year
LF- ?
CF-?
RF- Probably below league average.
 
zbhargrove said:
So a young Heyward can still reach his ceiling but a young Simmons and CB can't... Got it
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Im not sure what I've said about Heyward, but he has not reached his offensive ceiling.

What are Simmons and CB's ceilings?
 
sturg33 said:
Right... so 5 years we might be really good again. If these injured pitchers pan out
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Quit being so melodramatic about the pitchers... Only one is still recovering and that's Fried. And he should still begin working somewhat next year. None of the others are still injured and tons of teams go after pitchers that have already had TJ surgery. All the pitchers have an extremely high upside. They all won't achieve it but hey are all very good prospects and are not "all injured"
 
gilesfan said:
Im not sure what I've said about Heyward, but he has not reached his offensive ceiling.

What are Simmons and CB's ceilings?
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Simmons has shown flashes of being a good hitter... CB not so much but his athletic ability and frame suggest he's still plenty young to grow and improve. It's not too much of a stretch to think a new hitting coach could improve their offensive game.
 
zbhargrove said:
Simmons has shown flashes of being a good hitter... CB not so much but his athletic ability and frame suggest he's still plenty young to grow and improve. It's not too much of a stretch to think a new hitting coach could improve their offensive game.
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No one said they wouldn't improve. But, expecting them to be good hitters is a stretch.
 
gilesfan said:
No one said they wouldn't improve. But, expecting them to be good hitters is a stretch.
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I'm certainly not expecting that. I just believe that if you can put together a lineup that doesn't have auto outs in it (Upton/Uggla) that you can succeed without big time hitter. I hope that CB can at least become slightly below average.
 
thethe said:
I'm certainly not expecting that. I just believe that if you can put together a lineup that doesn't have auto outs in it (Upton/Uggla) that you can succeed without big time hitter. I hope that CB can at least become slightly below average.
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I don't think you can put together a competitive (consistently) team with no above average hitters (relative to position). Right now we are hoping that B to B+ prospects and future FA signings provide above average production for their position.
 
We had to rebuild, the roster as was, was NOT getting it done, plain and simple.

Hart and co have done a great job rebuilding the farm system for future trade assets down the line something we didnt have before.
 
Damn this is a depressing thread. The vast majority seem to think Hart and company are clueless, that we have severely f'd up and are screwed for the foreseeable future. I don't happen to share those views. We still have a lot of very good, young, team controlled guys on this team, and now have a very good farm system that will only keep getting better.

The sky is not falling. Hart, JS, Coppy didn't get to where they are by being idiots like many on here think.
 
skillet said:
Damn this is a depressing thread. The vast majority seem to think Hart and company are clueless, that we have severely f'd up and are screwed for the foreseeable future. I don't happen to share those views. We still have a lot of very good, young, team controlled guys on this team, and now have a very good farm system that will only keep getting better.

The sky is not falling. Hart, JS, Coppy didn't get to where they are by being idiots like many on here think.
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It is one royal whinefest.
 
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