Spring Training 2015

I try not to get too worked up over ST because so many of hte pitchers are scrubs. Overall though the offense will be better than people expect.

With as many pitchers as there are in camp, there have got to be enough step up to fill a pen. Most will be gone, and the ones who figure it out will be fine.
 
Been on his bandwagon since we got him, I don't know what's not to like. Always hit in the minors, always showed a great eye. Really hope he turns into a solid player.

Yeah, I think he has a chance to be a player who is underrated by many. Not great at any one thing, but above average at most things.
 
Yep, so far so good with Peterson. Hope we can really get some steady contribution from 2B throughout the year. Would make a world of difference if he could be a solid presence at the top of the lineup.

Agreed with others. I think we'll find seven relievers that can be productive.
 
Well, to sort of agree with both sides … I am still trying to figure out what the strategy is here. I mean, I get that we needed to rebuild the farm system. I get that we had soon-to-be-expensive bats that we weren’t likely to re-sign, and we needed to maximize the value. I get that the Braves are historically a team built on pitching and defense, and since 70% of all top prospects don’t have meaningful careers, we needed to stockpile as many high-upside arms as possible, hoping that at least one or two turn into legitimate aces. Or at least 2/3 guys.

Check.

But those moves feel like tactics, not strategy.

So as near as I can tell, the plan is:

- To build a best-in-league pitching staff through the draft and trades.
- To load the system in a money ball sort of way with speed/contact guys, ideally at second, third, center, and possibly left.
- To see how many of those speed/contact guys can actually get on base, run the bases, and score runs at the major league level. The ones that can stick. The ones that can’t become utility guys or go away.
- To trade surplus pitching (assuming we have some), sign Cubans, pray for Ruiz, or grow in a vat Freeman-esque RBI guys to replace the speed contact guys that don’t stick, and put them (I guess) in left or at third.

Which kind of makes sense (although it still doesn’t explain, say, Markakis), but it feels a lot like saying, “my retirement plan is to buy lots and lots of lottery tickets, knowing most won’t pay off, but the ones that do, wow!”

I like loading up on pitching, especially high-upside. But given that we need arms to fill at least two rotation spots by 2017, and presumably have spares to trade, the high-risk factor makes this feel less like strategy and more like high-stakes gambling -- unless they are counting on Roger to fix more scrapheap pitchers if necessary (an idea not without merit).

Love, love the emphasis on speed and contact — it seems reasonable to expect that at least two of Perez, Smith, Peraza, and Peterson will be able to get on base and run. At least, it feels like the most likely tactic to pan out.

But in 2017, are we really counting on Freeman, Bethancourt, Markakis, Johnson (assuming he’s not replaced with a speed guy like Peterson), and Simmons alone to drive them in?

What am I missing?

Along with (and separate from) some of the above, my personal feeling is that:

The new regime are believers in Braxton Davidson to an extent. I don't see 30 HR pop there, but he does profile a bit like a young Freeman who could turn into a spray it all over 2Bs machine who hits enough mistakes to eventually turn into a 18-20 HR guy. Assuming we keep several of the contact/speed guys and Ruiz develops as hoped, the three of them could provide substantial run production. It's obviously way early in their development but if you've got cheap options like Davidson and Ruiz and you're able to move Peraza to CF, you could conceivably (before screaming bloody murder, please notice the emphasis - NOTHING is guaranteed naysayers) spend big on a right-handed corner OF bat OR include Simmons in a package to get one IF Albies looks anything like he's looked thus far after 2015. Once Preller finally realizes there's just no way Wil Myers can play CF defensively, San Diego would sure seem ripe for a deal centered around those two.

2B- Peterson, CF- Peraza, 1B- Freeman, RF- Myers/FA signing, 3B- Ruiz, SS- Simmons/Albies, LF- Markakis (until Davidson's ready), C- Bethancourt
 
Along with (and separate from) some of the above, my personal feeling is that:

The new regime are believers in Braxton Davidson to an extent. I don't see 30 HR pop there, but he does profile a bit like a young Freeman who could turn into a spray it all over 2Bs machine who hits enough mistakes to eventually turn into a 18-20 HR guy. Assuming we keep several of the contact/speed guys and Ruiz develops as hoped, the three of them could provide substantial run production. It's obviously way early in their development but if you've got cheap options like Davidson and Ruiz and you're able to move Peraza to CF, you could conceivably (before screaming bloody murder, please notice the emphasis - NOTHING is guaranteed naysayers) spend big on a right-handed corner OF bat OR include Simmons in a package to get one IF Albies looks anything like he's looked thus far after 2015. Once Preller finally realizes there's just no way Wil Myers can play CF defensively, San Diego would sure seem ripe for a deal centered around those two.

2B- Peterson, CF- Peraza, 1B- Freeman, RF- Myers/FA signing, 3B- Ruiz, SS- Simmons/Albies, LF- Markakis (until Davidson's ready), C- Bethancourt

No love for Mallex Smith in center? He seems, well, a lot more projectable than Davis does now, although I am with you on Albies. Seems to me that a lot would have to go right for any of these guys to be ready by 2017, which the Mayan calendar clearly predicts is our year.
 
P.S.

If we give up Simmons, I’d like to see a lot more back than Wil Myers. I like his pop, but if we’re really an on base/contact team, I’d like to see more consistency. You feel differently, or did I misread how you mean to acquire him?
 
Peterson will not be a spectacular player but one of thoes guys you love having on a team. Will fight every AB and make pitchers work. Huge difference from what we were used to the last few years.

This. This is exactly why I love the guy. I would honestly love to see Peraza at second and Peterson at third.
 
This. This is exactly why I love the guy. I would honestly love to see Peraza at second and Peterson at third.

Add Mallex Smith to CF next season and you might all of a sudden have a bunch of low strikeout high contact hitters in the lineup. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
No love for Mallex Smith in center? He seems, well, a lot more projectable than Davis does now, although I am with you on Albies. Seems to me that a lot would have to go right for any of these guys to be ready by 2017, which the Mayan calendar clearly predicts is our year.

I don't see the Braves moving Peraza to CF anytime soon as they like his defense at second a lot. Plus he doesn't have a plus arm so unless Smith/Perez don't work out I'd not be in a hurry to move anyone (such as Pereza or Albies). But I wouldn't rule out moving someone there later on, maybe Albies given his speed and arm could make him great in CF too. Still, Kiley McDaniel who is as high on Albies as anyone sees Albies ETA as 2018 with him likely starting 2018 in AAA. Further, I think the Braves are more likely to play Peterson at third should he prove a worthy starter than to move Peraza off second to CF. Like Gosselin among other infielders, Peterson could probably play the OF at some point too and also start some games there.
 
sturg still complaining about the trades, jesus almighty.

There was no point in keeping them if they wouldnt re-sign.
 
All Mallex Smith to CF next season and you might all of a sudden have a bunch of low strikeout high contact hitters in the lineup. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

They do seem pretty high on Mallex Smith as Kiley McDaniel stated that multiple Braves execs compared Smith to Michael Bourn and expressed no concerns over his hit tool.
 
No love for Mallex Smith in center? He seems, well, a lot more projectable than Davis does now, although I am with you on Albies. Seems to me that a lot would have to go right for any of these guys to be ready by 2017, which the Mayan calendar clearly predicts is our year.

Certainly don't think they'll give Smith up before he absolutely proves he can't hit at the upper levels - the main point being that Peraza has shown much more with the bat thus far, and WILL be ready soon. IF the organization believes in Ruiz' ability to stay at 3B long-term, you've only got 3 spots up the middle to divide between Simmons, Peterson, Peraza, Perez, Albies, and Smith assuming we don't draft or sign other options that are also close to being ready. $47 million of the $56 million committed to Simmons is due between 2017 and 2020, so (again, we're talking best-case scenario here) while he'd still be a "bargain" for all 29 other teams he'd make one HELLUVA trade chip if Albies can stick at SS.

Is Simba too much to give up for Myers? Maybe, but I'd prefer to see what happens this year with both of them before committing to that. Even if Myers isn't a .350+ OBP guy like J-Up he's still likely to be very good right-handed 25+ HR protection for Freeman, meaning you've essentially actually replaced Gattis with someone who CAN play a corner in the OF. With a lineup full of high-contact and speed guys like Peterson/Peraza/Albies/Freeman/Markakis, I'm pretty comfortable with a little swing-and-miss from the guy hitting behind Freddie as long as he's not an all-or-nothing hitter. I think there's a lot more to come from Myers, and San Diego has enough depth at the corner spots in Kemp/Liriano/Renfroe (and potentially Middlebrooks if Spangenberg forces Gyorko over to 3B) that moving Myers for a franchise SS that they'll control for years would make a lot of sense IMO, especially one who's already cost-controlled like Simmons. If Myers turns into a 25/100 guy in Petco, he's going to cost them a TON of money in arbitration.
 
Certainly don't think they'll give Smith up before he absolutely proves he can't hit at the upper levels - the main point being that Peraza has shown much more with the bat thus far, and WILL be ready soon. IF the organization believes in Ruiz' ability to stay at 3B long-term, you've only got 3 spots up the middle to divide between Simmons, Peterson, Peraza, Perez, Albies, and Smith assuming we don't draft or sign other options that are also close to being ready. $47 million of the $56 million committed to Simmons is due between 2017 and 2020, so (again, we're talking best-case scenario here) while he'd still be a "bargain" for all 29 other teams he'd make one HELLUVA trade chip if Albies can stick at SS.

Is Simba too much to give up for Myers? Maybe, but I'd prefer to see what happens this year with both of them before committing to that. Even if Myers isn't a .350+ OBP guy like J-Up he's still likely to be very good right-handed 25+ HR protection for Freeman, meaning you've essentially actually replaced Gattis with someone who CAN play a corner in the OF. With a lineup full of high-contact and speed guys like Peterson/Peraza/Albies/Freeman/Markakis, I'm pretty comfortable with a little swing-and-miss from the guy hitting behind Freddie as long as he's not an all-or-nothing hitter. I think there's a lot more to come from Myers, and San Diego has enough depth at the corner spots in Kemp/Liriano/Renfroe (and potentially Middlebrooks if Spangenberg forces Gyorko over to 3B) that moving Middlebrooks for a franchise SS that they'll control for years would make a lot of sense IMO, especially one who's already cost-controlled like Simmons. If Myers turns into a 25/100 guy in Petco, he's going to cost them a TON of money in arbitration.

While I could see Albies making Simmons a trade candidate at some point. I think the earliest that happens is 2018 given Albies ETA, etc. Of course by then the Braves might decide to move Albies to CF should Smith turn more into a 4th outfielder type. Time will tell.
 
No love for Mallex Smith in center? He seems, well, a lot more projectable than Davis does now, although I am with you on Albies. Seems to me that a lot would have to go right for any of these guys to be ready by 2017, which the Mayan calendar clearly predicts is our year.

There's also the option of signing Dexter Fowler to play CF and holding onto EY Jr. and sliding him back over to LF to platoon with Gomes with Markakis in RF while keeping Simmons through 2017 (or for the balance of his deal) if Albies isn't ready when the new park opens. While that doesn't solve the RH thumper behind Freeman issue, that's a lineup full of pesky guys around him to deal with in Fowler, Markakis, Peterson, and Peraza in the lineup.

While it's still a long time away right now, the Brewers are going to need a relatively inexpensive 3B to replace Aramis Ramirez next winter and they've got no replacements on the horizon. There's always an outside chance that we could get a bag of balls for Johnson if we didn't eat any of the money left on his deal and Peterson could slide over.
 
There's also the option of signing Dexter Fowler to play CF and holding onto EY Jr. and sliding him back over to LF to platoon with Gomes with Markakis in RF while keeping Simmons through 2017 (or for the balance of his deal) if Albies isn't ready when the new park opens. While that doesn't solve the RH thumper behind Freeman issue, that's a lineup full of pesky guys around him to deal with in Fowler, Markakis, Peterson, and Peraza in the lineup.

While it's still a long time away right now, the Brewers are going to need a relatively inexpensive 3B to replace Aramis Ramirez next winter and they've got no replacements on the horizon. There's always an outside chance that we could get a bag of balls for Johnson if we didn't eat any of the money left on his deal and Peterson could slide over.

A bag of balls sounds good for CJ, so does Cash/PTBNL (little cash or low A scrub is fine). Just so long as they take on his contract then they can have him basically free. :)
 
It's starting to seem like we really messed up not protecting Graham from the Rule V Draft.

Mike Berardino
‏@MikeBerardino
#MNTwins: Rule 5 pick J.R. Graham feeling 'like I'm back'" http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_27662447/twins-rule-5-pick-j-r-graham-feeling

"Graham, a former top prospect who dealt with a right shoulder strain that caused him to miss most of the 2013 season, fared well in his Grapefruit League debut against the Rays on Friday, tossing two scoreless innings while repeatedly hitting 96 mph on the radar gun.
"I haven't put too much pressure on myself," said Graham, who was previously a starter before converting to relief late last season. "I've said it to my family and my friends that it feels easier. There's a big load off my back right now being the Rule 5 guy. I don't know what it is. I just feel like the opportunity I'm getting is making me more relaxed and focused instead of trying to prove I should be here.""
 
It's starting to seem like we really messed up not protecting Graham from the Rule V Draft.

Mike Berardino
‏@MikeBerardino
#MNTwins: Rule 5 pick J.R. Graham feeling 'like I'm back'" http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_27662447/twins-rule-5-pick-j-r-graham-feeling

"Graham, a former top prospect who dealt with a right shoulder strain that caused him to miss most of the 2013 season, fared well in his Grapefruit League debut against the Rays on Friday, tossing two scoreless innings while repeatedly hitting 96 mph on the radar gun.
"I haven't put too much pressure on myself," said Graham, who was previously a starter before converting to relief late last season. "I've said it to my family and my friends that it feels easier. There's a big load off my back right now being the Rule 5 guy. I don't know what it is. I just feel like the opportunity I'm getting is making me more relaxed and focused instead of trying to prove I should be here.""

I can't imagine anyone in the front office is losing any sleep over Graham (therefore starting his clock NOW) - we needed the 40-Man Roster spot. The Twins have to carry him on their MLB roster ALL SEASON or offer him back to us. I'd much rather have that spot available for a SP (even one who's rehabbing) than using it for Graham. When you look at the organization's SP depth chart now, there's likely not even going to be a spot in the rotation in the near future for Hursh or Cabrera - they'll be fine "replacements" for Graham IF we don't get him back.

1.) Kimbrel
2.) Grilli
3.) Johnson
4.) Simmons
5.) Vizcaino
6.) Russell
7.) Avilan
8.) Hursh
9.) Kohn
10.) Cabrera
11.) Fulenchek
12.) Grosser
13.) Povse

and on and on. Pretty sure we can cobble a bullpen together without him.
 
I can't imagine anyone in the front office is losing any sleep over Graham (therefore starting his clock NOW) - we needed the 40-Man Roster spot. The Twins have to carry him on their MLB roster ALL SEASON or offer him back to us. I'd much rather have that spot available for a SP (even one who's rehabbing) than using it for Graham.

Coppy has already said he didn't want to lose him and hopes we get him back. Personally, I thought it was bad move if for no other reason than we could've just DFA'd Jaime to make room, and Jaime should've been DFA'd a while back anyway IMO. Plus there was at least one questionable add to the 40-man that didn't need to be protected from the Rule V Draft too.
 
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