Okay hack away about tax income

[Krgrecw]

why are so many jealous of the rich?

Why can't we all just go out and work hard, save our money, live within our means and not have to buy a new shiney TV or a car we can't possibly afford?

I don't make much money, but it's not Wall Streets fault that I didn't take school seriously.

 

[DirkPiggler]

It would basically create a slave class.

No it wouldn't. People would be compensated at a fair rate for the work they did. And they would have some choice in what job they performed. Not to mention that they would have the option of spending that time for a private employer and forgoing the government aid.

The biggest problem with government aid isn't the money spent. It's the erosion of the work ethic. Some of the ideas I propose would actually cost more in the short term, but would broaden the tax base in the long term by reducing unemployment and reducing the income gap.

Based on what you posted above you seem to think that the wealthy are to blame for the lack of upward mobility in today's poor. I contend that the ease of getting by without working has done more to widen the income disparity than anything any CEO or bank has done.

I hire people who are generally at the bottom rung of the economic ladder. My biggest competitors in the labor market are government entitlements and the ability to sell drugs on the street. People who are dirt poor and unmotivated would much rather stay home and do nothing for their $300 per week of take home pay rather than busting their ass in an unglamorous job for 20-40 hours per week, and I can't blame them. We promote from within for just about every job we have, so a motivated employee with a good work ethic won't be stuck in a $8-$9 per hour job per long, but most people either can't or won't look far enough ahead to realize that. We as a society have made it too easy for people to subsist at an acceptable standard of living (to them) without putting forth any effort.

A direct quote from a former employee: "Why in the hell would I work four hours for you to get $35 dollars two weeks from now when I can sell a bag of weed for $30 in ten minutes?" Marijuana legalization and drug decriminalization are a start, but are also a topic for another day.

Our country should always have a safety net, but that net should also ease people back towards the top instead of tangling them up to where they can only get out with extraordinary effort.

 

[Oklahomahawk]

It's a shame the rich try to shift the focus in the media towards the poor so middle class people are fighting each other and demonizing the poor while the super rich are behind the scenes boning everyone else.

This is EXACTLY what's going on and has been going on since the 1980s. So, why can't more people see it? Oh they an see it easily when it's "that other party" who's doing it, but their own party (your know, the GOOD guys) can do it right in front of their eyes 24/7/365 and they're totally clueless.

 

[Dalyn]

No it wouldn't. People would be compensated at a fair rate for the work they did.

Oh, okay. That's not community service then, which is what Sturg suggested.

 

[Dalyn]

why are so many jealous of the rich?

Why can't we all just go out and work hard, save our money, live within our means and not have to buy a new shiney TV or a car we can't possibly afford?

I don't make much money, but it's not Wall Streets fault that I didn't take school seriously.

There are plenty of rich people who are fantastic and do great things for the world. I personally have no issue with any of them, and I can't stand haters who just don't want to see people doing well in life. But let's not act like that means there isn't a HUGE issue among the wealthy where they manipulate the media and politicians to create a means to exploit the system. We've had 500+ rich asshole skimming from the bottom on the way in and the top on the way out for a century, and THAT is the reason we are so devastatingly in debt as a government AND on an individual level.

 

[Dalyn]

Why can't we all just go out and work hard, save our money, live within our means and not have to buy a new shiney TV or a car we can't possibly afford?

And the real problem isn't families who can't afford a shiny TV, it's families who can't afford ****ing food.

 

[thethe]

why are so many jealous of the rich?

Why can't we all just go out and work hard, save our money, live within our means and not have to buy a new shiney TV or a car we can't possibly afford?

I don't make much money, but it's not Wall Streets fault that I didn't take school seriously.

Because going out and working hard doesn't get you what it did 50 years ago. Times are changing and if they continue to chnage then we will all sacrifice too much.

 

[thethe]

And the real problem isn't families who can't afford a shiny TV, it's families who can't afford ****ing food.

I think that problem is caused by those families. Everyone can work to provide the bear necessities for their families. This is of course excluding the physically/mentally disabled.

 

[Krgrecw]

yeah. They're are some rich people that abuse the system but there are plenty of people on the opposite part of the spectrum that don't contribute a penny either or lift thier finger.

Everyone should pay the same percentage and everyone should have to contribute something. Don't get much fairer than that.

 

[weso1]

J.K. Rowling on why she won't move her money to a tax haven and keeps it in higher taxed GBR.

I just assumed all economic liberals did this. Surely those who profess the virtues of substantial big government welfare don't use tax shelters that takes money away from the community pot. Just think, we could easily fund welfare if all economic liberals with means were to avoid all tax shelters. If they view welfare to be so important than to avoid tax shelters should be a no brainer. Because to not do so would be incredibly greedy.

Also, nice to see that "threadbare" welfare is all that's needed according to JK. Look what happened to her based only on "threadbare" welfare.

 

[Dalyn]

I think that problem is caused by those families.

Then you have a massive blind spot.

 

[thethe]

Then you have a massive blind spot.

So if its not the families fault then whose it is?

If its a family with one parent then isn't the families fault they couldn't work it out?

If the family has too many children when they couldn't afford it isn't the families fault?

If there are jobs that pay minimum wage out there and they are not trying for those whose fault is it?

 

[Dalyn]

yeah. They're are some rich people that abuse the system but there are plenty of people on the opposite part of the spectrum that don't contribute a penny either or lift thier finger.

Everyone should pay the same percentage and everyone should have to contribute something. Don't get much fairer than that.

Agreed. But 100+ years of exploitation has created a huge problem that must be addressed. It seems insignificant on an individual and present-day level, but it builds up. We can't just continue to let them do it.

 

[Krgrecw]

Because going out and working hard doesn't get you what it did 50 years ago. Times are changing and if they continue to chnage then we will all sacrifice too much.

So what are we exactly entitled to in life? A big house? A big SUV?

I make less than you. Probably make half as much as you do but I live comfortably because I live within my means (not to say you don't). I know I can't possibly afford to travel to Europe this summer for two weeks or anything but that's really my fault for not taking school seriously. It's not wall streets fault

 

[Dalyn]

So if its not the families fault then whose it is?

If its a family with one parent then isn't the families fault they couldn't work it out?

If the family has too many children when they couldn't afford it isn't the families fault?

If there are jobs that pay minimum wage out there and they are not trying for those whose fault is it?

It is no longer a system where as long as you aren't lazy or incompetent you can work hard and dig out of your birthright. Now it's a system where you can dig out of your birthright if your grandfather wasn't lazy or incompetent. If he was, you're pretty much ****ed unless someone with a better grandfather helps you out.

 

[thethe]

So what are we exactly entitled to in life? A big house? A big SUV?

I make less than you. Probably make half as much as you do but I live comfortably because I live within my means (not to say you don't). I know I can't possibly afford to travel to Europe this summer for two weeks or anything but that's really my fault for not taking school seriously. It's not wall streets fault

I am the last person that wants those things. I grew up barely above the poverty line (luckily). All I want is to be able to raise a family without having to work 12+ hours a day. I do not crave excesses. I am very simple person when it comes to material possessions. Maybe things are different in other states but to get ahead in NY you have to work like a madman.

 

[thethe]

It is no longer a system where as long as you aren't lazy or incompetent you can work hard and dig out of your birthright. Now it's a system where you can dig out of your birthright if your grandfather wasn't lazy or incompetent. If he was, you're pretty much ****ed unless someone with a better grandfather helps you out.

So again, why have children if you can't afford it? Doesn't hte family have to take responsibility for their actions as well? Its hard for me to get upset over this when you see a family of 5 struggling to survive and think to yourself, "Why did they have children in the first place?"

 

[Dalyn]

So again, why have children if you can't afford it? Doesn't hte family have to take responsibility for their actions as well? Its hard for me to get upset over this when you see a family of 5 struggling to survive and think to yourself, "Why did they have children in the first place?"

So that child should just be ****ed because his grandfather had more kids than he should've?

 

[Dalyn]

So again, why have children if you can't afford it? Doesn't hte family have to take responsibility for their actions as well? Its hard for me to get upset over this when you see a family of 5 struggling to survive and think to yourself, "Why did they have children in the first place?"

People shouldn't be having five children whether they can afford it or not. WE (as the human race) can't afford it.

 

[Dalyn]

So again, why have children if you can't afford it? Doesn't hte family have to take responsibility for their actions as well? Its hard for me to get upset over this when you see a family of 5 struggling to survive and think to yourself, "Why did they have children in the first place?"

You do realize your argument boils down to, "You deserve your ****ty life because you were born into a ****ty family," right?