Trade Deadline Day

gilesfan said:
I don't see why teams don't just throw junk at him. I haven't seen him be able to handle anything but offspeed hangers. I still think you can get him up in the zone with a fastball (Miller), but pitchers may be scared off by that one HR off Strasburg. But, hey if you sit fastball and you get one up in the zone, a lot of hitters will destroy that.
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The "junk" adjustment is the one every young hitter has to make. I've been surprised how Gattis has been able in certain situations to become a "contact first" guy (Burke AB case-in-point), but if he starts thinking junk and adjusting for that, he'll get busted inside. The big thing with Gattis is the pitcher can't make a mistake. Glen Perkins found that out.
 
Gattis is still a rookie. Hes not Mark McGwire, but its clear he has a very bright future. He will most likely adjust to what pitchers are throwing him and to be short - he will improve more and more.
 
Carp said:
Phils are hardly done. They still have money to spend and you can bet they will spend it. Brown is their new Howard. He's going to be a thorn in our side for awhile. They're a borderline .500 team this yr with Halladay out and Hamels having an off yr. They're going to stick around awhile.

I'm with those that say the Nats are/were overrated. Offense aside from Harper and Desmond isn't all that terrific. Zimmerman isn't the offense stud they thought he was. They missed their opportunity last yr when they sat Strasburg
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They really aren't a borderline .500 team. They hung around for a bit, but they won more game than they should have. They're dropping further below .500 and will continue to fall.

Ruf is terrible in LF. Revere hasn't even played well in CF this year. Brown was brutal, but has improved a bit. Still average at best in the OF. I still don't totally believe in him, either.

Rollins will not waive his NTC so they're stuck with him. It would probably be smart for them to re-sign Utley. Utley for 120 games + a backup is still better than most 2B in the game. They're stuck with that scrub Howard. Lee and Hamels are studs, but the rest of their rotation isn't good. Kendrick is a 4 at best. Who knows with Gonzalez but I keep reading 4-5 or reliever, unless everything goes perfect and he's a 3. Pettibone is not a good pitcher, he's a 5. Who knows about Asche.

They would need to sign Choo, Mac, and get a good to very good mid-rotation guy to compete next year. Amaro has been terrible as GM. Why nnot trade Young for anything, even a relief arm in AA? He's not going to re-sign and you're not going anywhere this year.

And their in a division with two of the youngest, most talented teams in the game.
 
Lee
Halladay
Hamels
Peitbone
Biddle
Kendrick
Gonzalez

is probably more than enough starting pitching.
 
gilesfan said:
Lee

Halladay

Hamels

Peitbone

Biddle

Kendrick

Gonzalez

is probably more than enough starting pitching.
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Lee and Hamels I gave you.

Pettibone is a #5. Dime a dozen.

By the time Biddle is good and reliable, where will Hamels and Lee be?

Kendrick is reverting back to #4 (at best) Kyle Kendrick.

Gonzalez is a HUGE question mark.
 
thethe said:
That will probably be good enough for third maybe fourth in the division.
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lol. Even if the Mets rotation is better despite only having 2/2.5 starters, they have nothing positionally besides wright.
 
yeezus said:
Lee and Hamels I gave you.
Pettibone is a #5. Dime a dozen.
By the time Biddle is good and reliable, where will Hamels and Lee be?
Kendrick is reverting back to #4 (at best) Kyle Kendrick.
Gonzalez is a HUGE question mark.
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Biddle is already in AA and will likely have a full season in AA at age 21.
Petitbone is a pretty solid back end of the rotation guy that can eat innings.
Gonzalez is expected to be a very good starter though there are certainly some questions
Halladay may come back
Kendrick has a 3.90 FIP this year.

They have a legit top of the rotation starters and a bunch of depth that can fill in the back end.
 
gilesfan said:
Biddle is already in AA and will likely have a full season in AA at age 21.

Petitbone is a pretty solid back end of the rotation guy that can eat innings.

Gonzalez is expected to be a very good starter though there are certainly some questions

Halladay may come back

Kendrick has a 3.90 FIP this year.

They have a legit top of the rotation starters and a bunch of depth that can fill in the back end.
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Right, and by the time Biddle is very good (if it happens) where will Lee and Hamels be?

Pettibone is a #5. That's all. Watch him pitch plenty.

I've heard people I trust say Gonzalez is a 4-5, possible reliever and that they gave him way too much.

Halladay? He's been awful the last two years and isn't going to go back to old Roy.

Kendrick started great and has been normal Kendrick since. Many believe he won't even be there next year.
 
gilesfan said:
lol. Even if the Mets rotation is better despite only having 2/2.5 starters, they have nothing positionally besides wright.
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LOL at the Mets only having those amount of starters.

Mets will have a lot of money to play with. Their positional depth will get better.
 
If Biddle isn't going to be good for awhile, is that true for Minor, Teheran, etc? Oh wait.

Halladay was not awful in 2012 (3.69 FIP). But there are certainly questions.

The point is they have a lot of options and you are taking the worst case scenario on every one of them.
 
gilesfan said:
If Biddle isn't going to be good for awhile, is that true for Minor, Teheran, etc? Oh wait.

Halladay was not awful in 2012 (3.69 FIP). But there are certainly questions.

The point is they have a lot of options and you are taking the worst case scenario on every one of them.
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Didn't Teheran and Minor struggle when they came up?

Has Biddle pitched well in the majors like Minor and teheran have?

How is Biddle on Minor's or Teheran's level right now?
 
Mets have Harvey, Wheeler, Neise, Montero and Sindergard or however you spell it. They can easily trade 1 of the 2 latter prospects and land a huge bat and sign a big pitcher with all the money they will have.

Mets are going to be scary
 
yeezus said:
Didn't Teheran and Minor struggle when they came up?
Has Biddle pitched well in the majors like Minor and teheran have?
How is Biddle on Minor's or Teheran's level right now?
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He isn't. I don't even know how anyone can think that the Phillies are close to competing.
 
BRule said:
Mets have Harvey, Wheeler, Neise, Montero and Sindergard or however you spell it. They can easily trade 1 of the 2 latter prospects and land a huge bat and sign a big pitcher with all the money they will have.

Mets are going to be scary
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Agreed. And those are just the big names. They have a lot of other lesser known guys that are doing well in high a and AA that could end up surprising people like Medlen/Beachy did.
 
yeezus said:
Didn't Teheran and Minor struggle when they came up?
Has Biddle pitched well in the majors like Minor and teheran have?
How is Biddle on Minor's or Teheran's level right now?
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Teheran pitched 25 innings prior to this year. He is 22. Biddle is 21. So, yes it's very likely that he can come up and struggle, but he will also be 2 years older than when Teheran made his debut so he may have more polish.

Im not comparing Biddle to those 2. Just pointing out that you can't expect every Braves prospect to hit the gate running but then Phils prospects can't do it.
 
BRule said:
Mets have Harvey, Wheeler, Neise, Montero and Sindergard or however you spell it. They can easily trade 1 of the 2 latter prospects and land a huge bat and sign a big pitcher with all the money they will have.

Mets are going to be scary
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Montero was the Mets 10th rated prospect before the year and has been getting lit up this year. 1.5 whip, 4.3 era in aaa.

They are going to need more than 1 or 2 bats to be competitive.
 
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