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[Hawk]

Is it?

Reminds of the Chapelle sketch where he and Chip ask the cop for directions.

I don't want to put words into your mouth or anything, but are you saying that running from a police officer is acceptable behavior?

Because we're not talking about Rhode Island rolls here.

 

[Julio3000]

No.

I said there was a commonality between Michael Brown, Walter Scott, and Freddie Gray -- they all broke the law, and they all resisted arrested (Michael became combative, Walter and Freddie ran).

What they did in breaking the law does not matter to me.

They placed themselves in the position of physical police intervention (that degree of criminality is pretty profound). I am not saying that the police had any right, whatsoever, to abuse their legal authority to apprehend them.

But it doesn't negate the circumstances which caused the event to transpire in the first place, and we're continuing to walk a very thin line by attempting to discount it.

Man, I hate to pull this card on you, but something tells me you've never been in the "wrong" place at the wrong time, and looked, well, "wrong" to the police.

 

[Julio3000]

I don't want to put words into your mouth or anything, but are you saying that running from a police officer is acceptable behavior?

You said they placed themselves in the position of physical police intervention . . . as if that itself isn't an issue subject to considerable debate.

 

[Hawk]

You said they placed themselves in the position of physical police intervention . . . as if that itself isn't an issue subject to considerable debate.

Unless I'm reading the wrong newspapers, I don't see how it's even a debate.

How else do you apprehend somebody who is running from a police officer/resisting arrest?

I swear to God I'm not intentionally trying to be obtuse here or provoke you.

 

[Julio3000]

Unless I'm reading the wrong newspapers, I don't see how it's even a debate.

How else do you apprehend somebody who is running from a police officer/resisting arrest?

I swear to God I'm not intentionally trying to be obtuse here or provoke you.

One thing subject to debate is what creates the "position of physical police intervention." You're intimating that flight creates it. I'm not sure that's the case . . . i.e. that threshold is often reached before that point.

 

[Julio3000]

Unless I'm reading the wrong newspapers, I don't see how it's even a debate.

How else do you apprehend somebody who is running from a police officer/resisting arrest?

I swear to God I'm not intentionally trying to be obtuse here or provoke you.

I'd humbly suggest not shooting them, choking them to death, or beating them senseless.

 

[Hawk]

One thing subject to debate is what creates the "position of physical police intervention." You're intimating that flight creates it. I'm not sure that's the case . . . i.e. that threshold is often reached before that point.

I'm talking about these three cases, specifically.

You are using broader strokes, which I get, but I worry that some (not all) of the paint you are using was mixed using social misconceptions from these very cases.

 

[AerchAngel]

Man, I hate to pull this card on you, but something tells me you've never been in the "wrong" place at the wrong time, and looked, well, "wrong" to the police.

I have and been pulled over and guns drawn on me. Did I think of running? No, never crossed my mind. I didn't break any laws so I let the police ask me some questions and then they let me go. If I did do something wrong, I sure in hell ain't running or I would be a chalk line and a garden plot that my kids to place a flower were I got bullet holes in me.

If you didn't do anything wrong, there is no need to run or resist arrest. Police are not going to randomly grab you and beat the crap out of you. You had to do something to provoke them.

I seen police white people up a few times and it is hilarious. Drunk, resisting arrest, kicking and clawing at the police. Then you see more cops join the tussle until they subdue him.

Do you ever watch COPS?

 

[Hawk]

If you didn't do anything wrong, there is no need to run or resist arrest.

Somehow, apparently, this is not true ...

 

[Hawk]

Man, I hate to pull this card on you, but something tells me you've never been in the "wrong" place at the wrong time, and looked, well, "wrong" to the police.

Not in America, but I have been in this position many times abroad and can relate to the idea of knowing that my actions/words/fate are basically prejudged courtesy my skin color.

I'm still going to respect men with guns and badges no matter where I'm at though.

 

[Julio3000]

I have and been pulled over and guns drawn on me. Did I think of running? No, never crossed my mind. I didn't break any laws so I let the police ask me some questions and then they let me go. If I did do something wrong, I sure in hell ain't running or I would be a chalk line and a garden plot that my kids to place a flower were I got bullet holes in me.

If you didn't do anything wrong, there is no need to run or resist arrest. Police are not going to randomly grab you and beat the crap out of you. You had to do something to provoke them.

I seen police white people up a few times and it is hilarious. Drunk, resisting arrest, kicking and clawing at the police. Then you see more cops join the tussle until they subdue him.

Do you ever watch COPS?

Never, huh?

 

[AerchAngel]

Never, huh?

What I don't understand is, why run? What are you afraid of? Seriously? It's just basic common sense. No way in my mind I will run from the cops, I can't even fathom to think anything else. I run, I get tazed or shot, that is the first human instinct that comes to mind. Run, you just compound the issue.

Seriously people are defending a person running.

 

[thethe]

What I don't understand is, why run? What are you afraid of? Seriously? It's just basic common sense. No way in my mind I will run from the cops, I can't even fathom to think anything else. I run, I get tazed or shot, that is the first human instinct that comes to mind. Run, you just compound the issue.

Seriously people are defending a person running.

I would hope people are separating this from what took place afterwards. But at the same time those people should acknowledge that without running hte violence doesn't happen.

 

[Garmel]

I noticed that some of the conservative rags are saying that Gray had spinal surgery a week before the arrest. An interesting twist if true.

 

[Julio3000]

What I don't understand is, why run? What are you afraid of? Seriously? It's just basic common sense. No way in my mind I will run from the cops, I can't even fathom to think anything else. I run, I get tazed or shot, that is the first human instinct that comes to mind. Run, you just compound the issue.

Seriously people are defending a person running.

I don't have to "get it" or defend it. I just kinda think it's irrelevant. One can make a poor decision that contributes to a dangerous situation. That's a long way from the agency of a person who decides to—for example—shoot you in the back and then plant evidence to suggest that you were endangering his life.

 

[goldfly]

If you didn't do anything wrong, there is no need to run or resist arrest. Police are not going to randomly grab you and beat the crap out of you. You had to do something to provoke them.

no, you really don't

you can just ask them why they are doing something and they beat the crap out of someone for just questioning them

seen it happen

that isn't provoking them

all of your examples are irrelevant though

 

[goldfly]

But at the same time those people should acknowledge that without running hte violence doesn't happen.

if the woman hadn't so much to drink, maybe she wouldn't have been raped

same type of thinking in my eyes

just cause he or anyone else runs, doesn't mean the cop gets to kill the person.

 

[AerchAngel]

no, you really don't

you can just ask them why they are doing something and they beat the crap out of someone for just questioning them

seen it happen

that isn't provoking them

all of your examples are irrelevant though

So I guess if you do something wrong, you will run when the police stay stop?

Okay.

 

[AerchAngel]

I don't have to "get it" or defend it. I just kinda think it's irrelevant. One can make a poor decision that contributes to a dangerous situation. That's a long way from the agency of a person who decides to—for example—shoot you in the back and then plant evidence to suggest that you were endangering his life.

And of course that didn't work.

 

[AerchAngel]

no, you really don't

you can just ask them why they are doing something and they beat the crap out of someone for just questioning them

seen it happen

that isn't provoking them

all of your examples are irrelevant though

whites do it all the time and get the crap beat out of them for mouthing off.

But I don't think they had an arrest warrant though.

Anyway, don't run, this would have been avoided. Don't run this would've been avoided. Don't run this would've been avoided. Don't run this would've been avoided. Don't run this would've been avoided.

Just basic common sense. I wouldn't have ran nor even thinking of running and I would be alive and playing with my kids. Mess with cops, run from cops, this can happen to you.