Acting shock that dealing with criminals is not going to always be a peachy situation is silly as well in my opinion.
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Acting shock that dealing with criminals is not going to always be a peachy situation is silly as well in my opinion.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Umm no. But you can continue to think that why those I mention below keep laughing at you liberals.
Hawk, TheThe, Gilesfan and KR is destroying them and I pretty much agree with them.
So no one is destroying anyone, just your liberal world view and fantasy.
And yet cops still should be expected to obey the law regardless.
Nobody is arguing with that point. The point that should be debated is at what point does a citizen give up the rights that the law abiding civilized population is entitled to?
sturg33
I
When you're paying nearly 40% of everything you earn to the government, I would never consider that minimal. Am I happy that my taxes are going to wars I don't agree with? No. Am I happy they're going to statist policies like Obama Care subsidies? No. Am I happy they're going BS like social security? No. Or let's go really dumb - how about just paying off interest on the debt because we're too fiscally irresponsible to balance a budget? No - I hate that my taxes have to go to fundamental nonsense like that.
You can say all you want about "pie in the sky"... but I'll never agree with you that we should spending more on defense than the next 27 countries combined. And I'll never agree with you that our government - either locally or nationally - is funding 96 weeks worth of unemployment for someone. And I'll never agree with you that's it's too much to ask for them to balance a budget.
And I'd like a meaningful protest regarding the incarceration rate. We're locking up people in cages more than any other country in the world - and you're damn sure the majority of it is non-violent offenses. So no - we're not free.
Unless they are a legit threat to the life of a cop or another civilian, no American should ever have to give up his right to humane treatment and a fair trial. The victim here was deprived of both.
Criminals still have rights, even when they are committing crimes. And they should. As someone said earlier, this isn't Judge Dredd. Cops aren't judge, jury, and executioner.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Please, for the love of all that is holy, listen to this person.
sturg33
I
Not according to the National Defense Authorization Act, unfortunately.
Who determines who is a threat to the life of anyone?
Again, we have all agreed that instances like the Garner case are clear examples of gross mis-use of power but the line isn't always so clear in every case but those cases are being lumped in with the obvious abuses.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
this post is called how to be bipolar in just 2 sentences.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
but those rights aren't in question. there are some that you never give up no matter what
they can't be taken away cause the cop or gov't says you did something illegal
you always have them
That's not a true statement.
The government can take away basically every right you have (including the right to live) if you are convicted of certain crimes, by a judge and jury of your peers.
And they should be able to. If you choose to live like an animal you deserve no more rights than an animal does. Want to be free...live like a civilized person.
57Brave
Well-known member
"they can't be taken away cause the cop or gov't says you did something illegal"
57Brave
Well-known member
another way of identifying / solving the problem ?
http://billmoyers.com/2015/05/06/bl...ly-crushed-student-debt/#.VUpirtZuh-0.twitter
The closer one looks the more one see's how a segment of society not only lives with the deck stacked against them. But, start with two strikes against them.
"why do they have to riot"
indeed
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“As a result of these student loan repayments, we live paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet,” she said. “We have not been able to save, pay for quality child care, or afford sports programs and summer camps for my children. At this time, we have postponed purchasing a more appropriately sized home for our family, because of our lack of available cash flow.”
http://billmoyers.com/2015/05/06/bl...ly-crushed-student-debt/#.VUpirtZuh-0.twitter
The closer one looks the more one see's how a segment of society not only lives with the deck stacked against them. But, start with two strikes against them.
"why do they have to riot"
indeed
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“As a result of these student loan repayments, we live paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet,” she said. “We have not been able to save, pay for quality child care, or afford sports programs and summer camps for my children. At this time, we have postponed purchasing a more appropriately sized home for our family, because of our lack of available cash flow.”
The government is removing those rights at the command of the judge and jury.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
But isn't there a BIG difference between the government taking rights away AFTER due process and a cop or other instrument of the government taking them away BEFORE due process? Isn't that the only reasonable argument about all this mess?
Whose fault is it that they went to a graduate school which cost that much? My brother went to graduate school here at a city college and got a great teaching job as did many of his minority co-workers. People make bad/uninformed decisions and then want to blame anybody else but themselves when it catches up with them.