Grade the front office this offseason.

thethe said:
For what its worth...Kubitza is off to a nice start with the Angels.
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As you probably know, I am higher on Kubitza than most around here. Further, now that Varvaro has been DFA'd I'd say it looks like a clear win for us in that trade.
 
Braves1976 said:
Have y'all seen Gondeee's take on the Braves offseason trades (his best to worst ranking list)?

This is it: http://www.gondeee.com/2015/04/20/ranking-braves-offseason-trades-from-best-to-worst/

My comments on his take:

I mostly disagree with Gondeee on how he ranks these trades. A couple he ranks as bad or among the worst I'd rank as at least average or better, such as the Varvaro for Kurcz deal. Plus I'd rank among the good or even potentially among the best deals the Man-Ban trade that he ranks as poor. I like Shreve as much as anyone but the Man-Ban trade was a no brainer IMO.

BTW, I actually rank the Justin Upton trade among our best trades this past off-season. Which might surprise y'all, then again it might not if you think it's because I rank other trades too low. But this ranking for me has a lot to do with my view on so called lesser names in the deal along with Fried's potential. I really like the potential with Peterson and Smith while also seeing potential with Dustin Peterson too. And if the headliner of the deal Fried comes back strong I could see the Justin Upton trade turning out to be our best deal in the end.

That said, I am not hardline on any of my own rankings as it's too early to be IMO.
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Interesting rankings. It's all one giant "Incomplete" for me when it comes to grading. There's been a huge change in direction. We can argue about the urgency of the decisions, but I thought at the end of last season that we were approaching a crossroads and a re-build was going to have to take place either immediately or after the 2015 season. The brass opted for the quicker timeline. Lots of new bodies and we'll just have to wait on a lot of these bodies. I think the judgment on guys like Kubitza and Hale was all about perceived ceiling and every scout has a different opinion and, again, we'll just have to see.
 
50PoundHead said:
Interesting rankings. It's all one giant "Incomplete" for me when it comes to grading. There's been a huge change in direction. We can argue about the urgency of the decisions, but I thought at the end of last season that we were approaching a crossroads and I re-build was going to have to take place either immediately or after the 2015 season. The brass opted for the quicker timeline. Lots of new bodies and we'll just have to wait on a lot of these bodies. I think the judgment on guys like Kubitza and Hale was all about perceived ceiling and every scout has a different opinion and, again, we'll just have to see.
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I agree with the incomplete take, outside of say the Varvaro trade now that Boston has already DFA'd him. The rest we'll just have to wait and see as you say.
 
For the most part I think the FO has done a solid job acquiring assets this offseason, and making some tough decesions that should be positive in the long-term, and have done a good job rebuilding and restructuring the organization and base it on player development BUT and this is a big BUT they will continue to get an "F" in my mind until our clueless field general is let go.
 
nsacpi said:
Wasn't there another thread that recently featured some pro-Varvaro rumblings.
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It was only a few days ago Varvaro was singled out by some as among our better bullpen arms lost in the game-day thread. That's probably what you're thinking of unless I missed it in another thread.

That said, I thought we did a good job getting someone like Kurcz in return for Varvaro.
 
I wouldn't rule out the Braves claiming Varvaro. He's been pretty average in Boston, but the numbers are okay.
 
Braves1976 said:
I agree with the incomplete take, outside of say the Varvaro trade now that Boston has already DFA'd him. The rest we'll just have to wait and see as you say.
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I always liked Varvaro and couldn't figure out the trade. Kurcz appears to have some ability and I wouldn't be surprised if he spent some time in the big league bullpen this season. But don't get me wrong, Varvaro's no world beater.
 
thethe said:
For what its worth...Kubitza is off to a nice start with the Angels.
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I like his bat. It profiles well, but lets keep in mind that he's playing in the PCL in Salt Lake. Salt Lake is the same thing as playing in Coors Field with the altitude being basically the same.
 
chop2chip said:
I like his bat. It profiles well, but lets keep in mind that he's playing in the PCL in Salt Lake. Salt Lake is the same thing as playing in Coors Field with the altitude being basically the same.
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Small sample size, but his walk rate is down without his K rate coming down. He still projects as a good utility guy for me, but with the extra hitter in the AL, guys like Kubitza often find a place.
 
Beware of SSS, but Kimbrel's ERA is 5.19 after giving up 3 runs today.

His velocity is the same as last year and his walk numbers are about the same (although his strikeouts are down to 10 per 9 innings. So its probably just a blip on the radar.
 
chop2chip said:
Beware of SSS, but Kimbrel's ERA is 5.19 after giving up 3 runs today.

His velocity is the same as last year and his walk numbers are about the same (although his strikeouts are down to 10 per 9 innings. So its probably just a blip on the radar.
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I saw that 9th inning in a non-save situation for Kimbrel, I noted one run scored after an attempted steal of third and ball was thrown into the outfield. While the third charged against him another reliever gave up after Kimbrel came out, that runner had been on first after a base hit by Gattis against Kimbrel (last batter Kimbrel faced). So yea very much SSS, while Kimbrel was rusty today the outing was not as bad as the three runs charged.
 
zitothebrave said:
I don't like the return for Heyward. I wish we got a better prospect than Jenkins. We went for someone raw who the Braves hope they can fix his control issues and he'll be a true top propsect. I'd rathre have gotten Marco Gonzalez, Rob Kaminsky or Alex Reyes. I'm not a fan of Jenkins and I do think that there's a very real chance we walk out on the negative in that trade. We likely won't, but when all costs are considered, I think 1 year of Heyward is worth more than 4 of Miller. maybe Shelby recaptures what made him a top prospect, but he was not good last year. If he keeps that trend up, and Jenkins remains unable to control his stuff, we got fleeced. I don't think Miller is as bad as he was last year, but I don't think he's better than his rookie season either. I'll wait patiently.
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YAY!
 
sturg33 said:
It's not misleading... you can make the argument that the high draft pick we gave away is just as likely to make it as Jenkins... So we gave 6 years of control of that future player for Jenkins.

So now it's 1 year of Heyward (who is SO much better than Miller), 2 years of Walden, for 4 years of Miller - who, to this point, as been pretty mediocre.

You've mentioned that we "bought low" on Miller. When you're trading an asset like Heyward, you shouldn't be buying low on someone.
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Another solid statement.
 
lol thethe going ham, i cant blame him given all the hate this offseason.
 
I didnt like getting Miller as the main piece, BUT.

I wanted to see what Roger could do with him, and the results speak well.

I never understood why some fans wanted to keep Heyward for one year and get pretty much a late pick for him in return.
 
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