Chris Johnson - NL Batting Leader

I wish Salcedo would take the next step. I haven't been following him, but earlier on I thought he was doing pretty well.
 
Heyward said:
Again, I'm not seeing it where he's an atrocious defender.

I'm not saying he's the best defensive player in baseball but I just don't see it where people say he's a butcher on defense at 3rd. I really do not. Hell, Fredi has left him in tight games lately and not used Janish as a defensive replacement.

Pedro Alvarez isn't great defensivley, should the Pirates get a new 3B?
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All I can do is post the stats that show CJ being at the bottom of defense.

It's not about being a butcher. It's about having no range. CJ has no range at all and having a statue at 3rd hurts. And no I don't think having Simmons makes up for that...

Alvarez is a positive defender...
 
Heyward said:
Or Michael Young.

Third base is such a weak position around the league. I would just keep him unless a team offers a haul which is unlikely.
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And even Young plays a worst 3rd then CJ does.

3rd base is not an easy position to fill right now.
 
Bremen, who replaces him then since he's easily replaceable.

Since 3B is such a stacked position around the league.
 
BremanFan88 said:
All I can do is post the stats that show CJ being at the bottom of defense.

It's not about being a butcher. It's about having no range. CJ has no range at all and having a statue at 3rd hurts. And no I don't think having Simmons makes up for that...

Alvarez is a positive defender...
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I disagree he has no range. He doesn't have great range but hardly awful either.

I think having Simmons makes up for it.

And Alvarez has more errors than CJ.....
 
skidlee said:
I have yet to see who you want to replace him.
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I can't tell you who'd going to be on the market skid. Trades happen all the time and maybe someone is made available. Whether it's a MLB guy or a prospect. All I've said is that the Braves seriously need to look into an upgrade and sell high, if possible, on Johnson. That will benefit our team more than locking Chris Johnson in as the 3B of the foreseeable future.
 
Heyward said:
I disagree he has no range. He doesn't have great range but hardly awful either.

I think having Simmons makes up for it.

And Alvarez has more errors than CJ.....
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You're using errors to determine defense? Come on now. That's a terrible way to judge a player. You must think Elvis Andrus is terrible then.
 
BremanFan88 said:
I can't tell you who'd going to be on the market skid. Trades happen all the time and maybe someone is made available. Whether it's a MLB guy or a prospect. All I've said is that the Braves seriously need to look into an upgrade and sell high, if possible, on Johnson. That will benefit our team more than locking Chris Johnson in as the 3B of the foreseeable future.
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Your not going to find much on the market just FYI

We traded nothing for him. He was a throw in to the deal. Nothing wrong with him being our 3B for a year or 2 more.

Replacing him isn't going to be easy.

The braves are not going to go with 2 rookies in the same infield (2b & 3B).

So its either Uggla or CJ going in a trade IMO and both are long shots to actually happen.
 
BremanFan88 said:
I can't tell you who'd going to be on the market skid. Trades happen all the time and maybe someone is made available. Whether it's a MLB guy or a prospect. All I've said is that the Braves seriously need to look into an upgrade and sell high, if possible, on Johnson. That will benefit our team more than locking Chris Johnson in as the 3B of the foreseeable future.
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Teams know his BABIP is high and likely won't repeat it. So I doubt anyone is gonna offer enough to consider moving him.

Trading him for some so so prospects would be stupid since we would probably be downgrading overall. And there is no in house replacement ready.

Is 2-3 years the foreseeable future.
 
Heyward said:
Bremen, who replaces him then since he's easily replaceable.

Since 3B is such a stacked position around the league.
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I don't understand why you're being a hostile. I never said it was stacked. All I've said is that I hope we can sell high on CJ and find an upgrade. That would be ideal. I'm fully aware about the logistics and haven't said we have to do this or we're doomed. It would just be a great move to make for us.
 
BremanFan88 said:
I don't understand why you're being a hostile. I never said it was stacked. All I've said is that I hope we can sell high on CJ and find an upgrade. That would be ideal. I'm fully aware about the logistics and haven't said we have to do this or we're doomed. It would just be a great move to make for us.
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Read above.
 
skidlee said:
Your not going to find much on the market just FYI

We traded nothing for him. He was a throw in to the deal. Nothing wrong with him being our 3B for a year or 2 more.

Replacing him isn't going to be easy.

The braves are not going to go with 2 rookies in the same infield (2b & 3B).

So its either Uggla or CJ going in a trade IMO and both are long shots to actually happen.
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And I'm not saying you're wrong. It would just be nice to sell high and upgrade. I just know that I'm not going to like Chris Johnson if he's not going to have a BABIP of .430 next season...
 
Heyward said:
Teams know his BABIP is high and likely won't repeat it. So I doubt anyone is gonna offer enough to consider moving him.

Trading him for some so so prospects would be stupid since we would probably be downgrading overall. And there is no in house replacement ready.

Is 2-3 years the foreseeable future.
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Exactly but you never know what can happen when some of these GM's get desperate enough.

Like I said sell high if you sell. So so prospects would be pointless obviously.
 
BremanFan88 said:
And I'm not saying you're wrong. It would just be nice to sell high and upgrade. I just know that I'm not going to like Chris Johnson if he's not going to have a BABIP of .430 next season...
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I think the word "upgrade" is the problem. I don't see much of an upgrade out there. Depending on how the team is constructed ie 2B & C. If Gattis and Uggla are our C and 2B next year I am worried. But if we can some how keep Mac and get a more contact hitter for 2B then having CJ at 3rd and hitter 8th won't be a bad problem. But if you want an upgrade then your going to be spending alot of money and/or alot of prospects.
 
BremanFan88 said:
Exactly but you never know what can happen when some of these GM's get desperate enough.

Like I said sell high if you sell. So so prospects would be pointless obviously.
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Obviously there are dumb GM's out there and if a team offered a big offer, it's something to consider.

I just really doubt it happens.
 
skidlee said:
I think the word "upgrade" is the problem. I don't see much of an upgrade out there. Depending on how the team is constructed ie 2B & C. If Gattis and Uggla are our C and 2B next year I am worried. But if we can some how keep Mac and get a more contact hitter for 2B then having CJ at 3rd and hitter 8th won't be a bad problem. But if you want an upgrade then your going to be spending alot of money and/or alot of prospects.
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To me an upgrade would be someone that can hit .270 and is a good fielder. That would be better for us IMO. I'll use Headley as an example to illustrate what I mean. He's hitting .235 on the year but still has a higher WAR than CJ who's leading the league in hitting. Even though Headley's average isn't very good he's doing all the other things that CJ can't do. Get on base, field, base running etc. To me if you can find a player that can just do a little bit of everything at a decent clip that would be an upgrade. Also I wasn't saying we should trade for Headley. Alvarez and Frazier could of been used as well. Maybe we get a new Chris Johnson that someone doesn't want but wasn't given a chance who knows....
 
skidlee said:
Its just a whole lot easier said then done. I think CJ is here for a little while.
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No doubt I just hope we're not all sitting here in a year wishing we had a better all around 3B. I know La Stella is just a prospect but the way he makes contact and gets on base(the getting on base part is the big charm for me) I think he could be more productive IF he could play 3B at even an average level. If we're going to go with a light hitter bottom of the order guy at third then why not one with on base skills and a solid glove. Of course that's assuming he could play the position. Basically what I'm saying is that the Braves have put themselves in a less than ideal position not being prepared for Chipper retiring...
 
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