2015 June Draft Results Thread

Do we like Keith Law now? I bet he's become a much more knowledgable person now that he praised us.
 
thethe said:
Of course but when yiu have residual impact from the aforementioned scouting powerhouse then I would hope you can build a good team. Wren and his staff made a bunch of good moves but we're given a great talent base from which to start.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the majority of the players we had/have from the Wren era?
 
gilesfan said:
Do we like Keith Law now? I bet he's become a much more knowledgable person now that he praised us.
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I've always liked Law. The man may not always be right, but he definitely doesn't adhere to group think.

He was absolutely correct when he led the charge against Atlanta's string of low ceiling drafts (post Heyward). And aside from a surprise here and there he's been absolutely on the money with that criticism.
 
sturg33 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the majority of the players we had/have from the Wren era?
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Wren had his successes in the trading game, but his successes definitely were not due to our drafts. We had consistently terrible drafts and took low ceiling signability picks. Our sole successful first round pick was Mike Minor and that was thanks to a surprise velo spike that caught even the Braves off guard.

Sure he drafted Simmons, Kimbrel, and Gattis, but I don't know if we should lay a ton praise at them for closing their eyes and swinging real hard in the latter rounds.
 
chop2chip said:
I've always liked Law. The man may not always be right, but he definitely doesn't adhere to group think.

He was absolutely correct when he led the charge against Atlanta's string of low ceiling drafts (post Heyward). And aside from a surprise here and there he's been absolutely on the money with that criticism.
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I know you are reasonable. I like Laws info though he does come of as a douchebag. But, he was almost universally hated on here. In particular bc of comments about Freeman and Minor. (among other comments)
 
chop2chip said:
Wren had his successes in the trading game, but his successes definitely were not due to our drafts. We had consistently terrible drafts and took low ceiling signability picks. Our sole successful first round pick was Mike Minor and that was thanks to a surprise velo spike that caught even the Braves off guard.

Sure he drafted Simmons, Kimbrel, and Gattis, but I don't know if we should lay a ton praise at them for closing their eyes and swinging real hard in the latter rounds.
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Well the first round picks were definitely bad... no doubt about it. But he was also the guy for the Julio signing... Alex Wood, Minor, Medlen, Beachy, Kimbrel, Hanson, etc. He also snagged us Gattis & Simmons... not to mention many of the folks we used in trades that you graded very well.

Lastly, he was the number 2 guy for a while, including the 07 draft of Heyward and Freeman. Although - for some reason I want to say we could have Stanton in that one too... darn.

Point is... his drafts developed a lot ML talent... and good talent at that
 
thethe said:
Of course but when yiu have residual impact from the aforementioned scouting powerhouse then I would hope you can build a good team. Wren and his staff made a bunch of good moves but we're given a great talent base from which to start.
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So you're happy now with a mediocre team than our power house teams of the past?
 
gilesfan said:
I know you are reasonable. I like Laws info though he does come of as a douchebag. But, he was almost universally hated on here. In particular bc of comments about Freeman and Minor. (among other comments)
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I remember those days vividly. I don't think he liked Teheran as much as Arodys and Delgado which was lighting rod of hate for many.

Just because fans are irrational didn't discredit his analysis. Our drafts sucked. To think we tried to talk ourselves into Sean Gilmartin as a good pick because he was a sure thing #5 starter that would move quickly. Bleh.
 
chop2chip said:
I remember those days vividly. I don't think he liked Teheran as much as Arodys and Delgado which was lighting rod of hate for many.

Just because fans are irrational didn't discredit his analysis. Our drafts sucked. To think we tried to talk ourselves into Sean Gilmartin as a good pick because he was a sure thing #5 starter that would move quickly. Bleh.
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I wasn't discrediting anything. Just making light of people now USING his analysis to make them feel warm inside.
 
sturg33 said:
Well the first round picks were definitely bad... no doubt about it. But he was also the guy for the Julio signing... Alex Wood, Minor, Medlen, Beachy, Kimbrel, Hanson, etc. He also snagged us Gattis & Simmons... not to mention many of the folks we used in trades that you graded very well.

Lastly, he was the number 2 guy for a while, including the 07 draft of Heyward and Freeman. Although - for some reason I want to say we could have Stanton in that one too... darn.

Point is... his drafts developed a lot ML talent... and good talent at that
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Frank had nothing to do with a few of those guys you listed.

Tommy was drafted in 2005

Medlen 2006

Julio signed in 2006

Frank came on the job in 2007. I don't care to give the assistant GM that much praise (especially when he was definitely 3rd fiddle to Dayton). I'm sure he was a good advisor. He seems like a smart guy. He was just a ****ty leader.

If you want give him credit for Beachy and Gattis. That's fine, although that's more blind luck than anything. His scouting departments do deserve some praise for Kimbrel (2008 which was a Roy Clark draft), Simmons, and Wood. I also liked last year's class a lot and Albies should eventually be added to that list.
 
chop2chip said:
Frank had nothing to do with a few of those guys you listed.

Tommy was drafted in 2005
Medlen 2006
Julio signed in 2006

Frank came on the job in 2007. I don't care to give the assistant GM that much praise (especially when he was definitely 3rd fiddle to Dayton). I'm sure he was a good advisor. He seems like a smart guy. He was just a ****ty leader.

If you want give him credit for Beachy and Gattis. That's fine, although that's more blind luck than anything. His scouting departments do deserve some praise for Kimbrel (2008 which was a Roy Clark draft), Simmons, and Wood. I also liked last year's class a lot and Albies should eventually be added to that list.
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Thanks for correction... I guess I'm getting older than I realized

I coulda swore Julio was signed in 07
 
nsacpi said:
Anyone know who was running the draft in 2005. To me the Joey Devine pick was as bad as the Gilmartin pick.
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That pick was made during the worst period of Braves management ever - The desperate JS era. JS thought he could fix the closer problem by drafting a college reliever that was close to the big leagues.

Although, Joey was actually a really good relief pitcher until he blew his arm out. Gilmartin is just terrible in general.
 
chop2chip said:
That pick was made during the worst period of Braves management ever - The desperate JS era. JS thought he could fix the closer problem by drafting a college reliever that was close to the big leagues.

Although, Joey was actually a really good relief pitcher until he blew his arm out. Gilmartin is just terrible in general.
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So the good picks were by Roy Clark and the bad ones by JS?
 
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