Frank Wren's Tenure

So we're down to Markakis. You want .2 WAR there? Call it a debate?

No, because your debate is again based on best case scenario happening for the current group. Not realistic likely scenarios.

I'm not opposed to the rebuild in it's entirety. But you have to realize a whole bunch of **** has worked out better than expected. Maybin was a salary dump, to eat up part of BJ's deal. He's turned out to be a fine player, best case scenario. Peterson has outperformed his projections by a lot, best case scenario. When for all but Justin, the guys we shipped out are in worst case scenarios (aside from injury) so far. Your case is basically our current best case scenario is slightly worse than our old team's essentially worst case scenario.
 
No, because your debate is again based on best case scenario happening for the current group. Not realistic likely scenarios.

I'm not opposed to the rebuild in it's entirety. But you have to realize a whole bunch of **** has worked out better than expected. Maybin was a salary dump, to eat up part of BJ's deal. He's turned out to be a fine player, best case scenario. Peterson has outperformed his projections by a lot, best case scenario. When for all but Justin, the guys we shipped out are in worst case scenarios (aside from injury) so far. Your case is basically our current best case scenario is slightly worse than our old team's essentially worst case scenario.

But 2015 is not the last year baseball will be played.

The moves this offseason were never made for this year.
 
'Cause Julio's my Latin friend and he knew I was making fun of you.

You still lost me here. Funny, I don't seem to recall ever previously directly addressing Mr. Julio3000 unless he did asked about something and certainly never made negative comments toward him. (Personally didn't know anything about his background - a user name doesn't mean much - and frankly don't care.) Oh, and next week, my real life friend (not an internet buddy) of over 25 years, Carlos, will be delivering tickets to few games next weekend. His parents emigrated from Colombia to LA. Hell, it was me who told him that Teheran would be the first Colombian starting pitcher to make the majors.

Jurrjens is Papiamentu, Afro-Caribbean. Not strictly Latin.

No, not Latin at all. He's from Curacao, which is part of Netherlands Antilles, at last check. Spanish is one of the 5 languages that he speaks though.

You were making the racist intimation, I just figured I'd pull your sheet off.

Is that a fact? What was "racist" about it talking about a couple of players, both of whom I actually liked (although JJ is pretty much forgotten now). Then again, wasn't it you who accused anybody who thought Bethancourt still had some potential "groupthink"? Apparently, in my one (maybe) two posts in that forum, there must have been some underlying racist overtures. Be sure to scour and find them! Maybe there was also some hidden agenda about not feeling that extensive man-love about Kelly too. A few posters still haven't recovered from the trauma of his non tender.

As for the 'sheet' accusation, you can go shove a broom handle up your hole. Now you're vigilant about every such imagined slight, apparently you have a grievance about the banner for this site. Not diverse enough!

Also, not a redneck. Political moderate who isn't "patriotic" enough to be a redneck, despite my pasty-white skin. They'd throw me out of an NRA meeting down at the Primitive Baptist Church once they found out I couldn't clean my gun or my white sheet properly. Way too much book learnin'.

Save that for the political board. Your down home wit and wisdom would surely be appreciated.

So carry on, Knucksie. On Teheran: Here I thought the organization jacked around with his mechanics and messed him up. Now I find out it's because he was closing bars with his Afro-Caribbean mentor. So that was news to me. I'm guessing you're just making **** up and didn't like being called on it, amirite?

Well, you'll have to show me exactly where someone said that they hung out at bars...Oh yeah, that was you~! In terms of making sheet up, talk about accusing others of what one is guilty of oneself there, big guy! Nevertheless, they probably did jack around with mechanics, which isn't mutually exclusive from noticing that a couple teammates (and possibly off the field friends) hung out.

On Julio3000: Really, you shouldn't mess with him. He's earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants in these parts as a top three poster. You, not so much. It makes you look bad and just, well, like a dick. In fact, you are a dick. So just stop.

Is that (gasp) sarcasm? Well, damn, you've wounded me. How will it be possible to sleep tonight? :cooter:
 
Own what? It's because there's nothing more to say. It's purely speculative. Should I know how much contact they had through the course of an entire season and what effect it might have had? Maybe it had none, maybe it had some, maybe it took time.

It's purely speculative. And completely unfounded. And frankly sounds kinda racist. Why smear two guys with nothing to back it up? Well, why not?

Hey, I went to a Rome game last week and noticed that Braxton Davidson didn't give Albies a pound when Albies was on his way back to the dugout after scoring a run. Then he turned around and did it really halfheartedly and didn't even smile. Is there a rift in Rome's clubhouse? Is Braxton a cancer? Does he think that Albies is a little prick? I dunno. It looks suspicious. Anyway, I'm just passing along what I saw. It's purely speculative.

And, fwiw, I did actually attend a game and saw exactly that. So I'm not, in fact, the mysterious man that you're at war (or WAR) with, the one who consumes advanced metrics and never watches actual games and has the temerity not to have been born early enough to remember the 80s and how bad they were. I'm not stalking you, buddy, its just that I've memorized your schtick because about half your posts are weird rants against the boogieman referenced above, who apparently is some kind of shapeshifter who takes a different form on different days. You unload with both barrels on whoever is your target of the day, and . . . it's . . . just . . . weird.

After setting aside those and the ones bragging about being the Greg Maddux of the ignore feature, your posts are often worthwhile and interesting, which is why I've always avoiding kicking a stupid hornets' nest like this, being mostly a getting-along-type mother****er.

You're the one who's intimating something. What is it? Hell, it would've been great if Jurrjens could've come back and contributed like he did at his best, but he didn't. Same thing happened back in 2001 with Avery but at far greater odds. Presumably, he had some things to share with the up and comers. We ran into each for a moment, exiting, and it was extremely positive and memorable encounter. (If you really insist on personal opinions of encounters with players, I can elaborate, but none have anything to do with opinion on what happened on the field. Some great stories over the years!)

Awesome, I'm happy for you. I had an extremely positive and memorable encounter with an advanced statistic this one time, but I'm sure it wasn't nearly as satisfying. Anyway, you've brought the Julio/JJ thing up before, and you brought it up now. It was bull**** then, and it's bull**** now. You're a weirdly abrasive dude who comes off like you're both 13 and 72, simultaneously. It's kinda sadly hilarious for someone whose stock-in-trade is attacking other posters unprovoked to be complaining that he's being unfairly pursued.

Since you're so attuned to my posting history, I included everything above here and at Scout.

Again, it's pretty memorable, if only for the sheer repetition. Akin to watching an unmedicated schizophrenic stand on the same streetcorner and rant at passers-by day after day. It's not pretty, but eventually it just part of the landscape.

Direct warning: the G-Braves are playing the Buffalo Bisons in just over a week and half (deep breath) and there's going to be a thread about the series. Some people actually appreciate it. Clearly, you and Braves1976 are personally offended that somebody should actually attend games and offer direct impressions, right, wrong or indifferent

Clearly.

(yes, the OP has already expressed that view, and he'd never previously been personally provoked by me). Since that's an apparent problem for you, him and maybe a few others, it's best not to access the thread when it appears.

No, I think that he and I and maybe a few others will sit around and plot your downfall, offended as we are by the nerve of a fella to go to a baseball game and post about it. Makes my blood boil just thinking about it.

Is that was this is really about? Since you're now stalking me, my post count pales in comparison with yours. What specially disturbs you? Seriously, there have been plenty of posts in other threads that were A LOT more controversial over the last several days. Something's bothering you. What is it?

I don't recall anything controversial. Just dumb and possibly sorta racist. But yeah, that's it.

One last thing, apparently "yeezus" still hasn't gotten the hint. He's been on my ignore list for about a year and half. Unfortunately, his replies still activates my alerts. "Kimbrel's going to get 20MM/year on his next contract!" Somebody tell him to go get laid. For the first time.

I ignore him, too. He's really gotten to big for his britches and become quite a caricature of himself, but I'm pretty sure he gets laid on the reg—oh, wait . . . you don't mean HIM, you mean the guy who posts here by that name.

Sure, I'll tell him, next time I crash a meeting of Guys Who Cut And Paste From Fangraphs And Don't Watch Actual Baseball Games And Don't Remember the Pain of the 1980s Anonymous.

Knuckle on, my man.
 
I really have no idea what's going on, and I'm not reading through 7 pages to figure it out. All parties need to cut it out though. This argument has ran its course and is off-topic. There is the Joe West forum for this type of stuff.
 
I really have no idea what's going on

Frank Wren is a human who was the general-manager of a baseball sports team called "Atlanta Braves"; this human was relieved of his working job-position, several of your human months ago. The word "tenure" essentially refers to the time before that removal, but after he was hired.
 
It's purely speculative. And completely unfounded. And frankly sounds kinda racist. Why smear two guys with nothing to back it up? Well, why not?

Yeah, you're right they both had excellent seasons that year, and nobody should have said otherwise.
 
I really have no idea what's going on, and I'm not reading through 7 pages to figure it out. All parties need to cut it out though. This argument has ran its course and is off-topic. There is the Joe West forum for this type of stuff.

Considering the post, directly below yours, you can see who the instigators were over basically nothing.
 
Frank Wren is a human who was the general-manager of a baseball sports team called "Atlanta Braves"; this human was relieved of his working job-position, several of your human months ago. The word "tenure" essentially refers to the time before that removal, but after he was hired.

You left out the bit about his hair.
 
Considering the post, directly below yours, you can see who the instigators were over basically nothing.

Considering my post was directly below Cy's, I'm wondering where I instigated anything.
 
Frank Wren is a human who was the general-manager of a baseball sports team called "Atlanta Braves"; this human was relieved of his working job-position, several of your human months ago. The word "tenure" essentially refers to the time before that removal, but after he was hired.

Are we sure he was human?
 
I really have no idea what's going on, and I'm not reading through 7 pages to figure it out. All parties need to cut it out though. This argument has ran its course and is off-topic. There is the Joe West forum for this type of stuff.

I found the "ignore" function. Thought it might be healthier.

Actually it was a great thread for five pages.
 
Wow, so his aspirations were higher than just the Braves organization. Interesring....

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