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I get supporting the trade the Braves made. I'm one of the biggest. But this idea that Jason is not a really good player is crazy.
 
thethe said:
I get supporting the trade the Braves made. I'm one of the biggest. But this idea that Jason is not a really good player is crazy.
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Exactly, he is a really good player and I wish the Braves could have kept him, but not to pay him like a perennial all-star, which some team will pay him.
 
Heyward said:
And an OPS under .800 the last 3 years, this year included.
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Two things. OPS is an obsolete stat. It gives too much credit to slugging and not enough to OBP. Secondly, stating a raw number is pointless considering this is a much lower run scoring environment then 10 years ago. This is why we use league and park adjusted stats.
 
Heyward said:
It is funny how you and the other Heyward homers spin stats to make him look better than he is.
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How am I making him look better than he is? If you and others can talk about how bad he sucked in April then why can't I and others talk about how good he has been playing since then?
 
thewupk said:
Two things. OPS is an obsolete stat. It gives too much credit to slugging and not enough to OBP. Secondly, stating a raw number is pointless considering this is a much lower run scoring environment then 10 years ago. This is why we use league and park adjusted stats.
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So my stat doesnt mean anything, but yours does, got it.
 
thewupk said:
How am I making him look better than he is? If you and others can talk about how bad he sucked in April then why can't I and others talk about how good he has been playing since then?
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Hes not that good, and not as good as he's hit as of late, but he'll be well compensated money wise by some team this winter.
 
Heyward said:
So my stat doesnt mean anything, but yours does, got it.
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Well yeah, when the one you use isn't as valuable.

The purpose of stats isn't to measure dicks. It's to tell truth about value. The statistics community moved on from OPS long ago because the acknowledgment that OBP should be weighted more so than slugging.
 
Heyward said:
So my stat doesnt mean anything, but yours does, got it.
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I mean it has no context. You say he doesn't have an 800 OPS. Okay? IF the league average OPS is 700 and his OPS is 780. Then yea he doesn't have an 800 OPS. It doesn't tell us how good he is or not. An 800 OPS in 2015 is not equal to what it was in 2005. Which is why league and park adjusted stats are necessary. And again OPS is not weighted properly. WOBA and WRC+ are much better stats to use.
 
chop2chip said:
Well yeah, when the one you use isn't as valuable.

The purpose of stats isn't to measure dicks. It's to tell truth about value. The statistics community moved on from OPS long ago because the acknowledgment that OBP should be weighted more so than slugging.
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Heyward's OBP is .315, so i guess he sucks?
 
thewupk said:
I mean it has no context. You say he doesn't have an 800 OPS. Okay? IF the league average OPS is 700 and his OPS is 780. Then yea he doesn't have an 800 OPS. It doesn't tell us how good he is or not. An 800 OPS in 2015 is not equal to what it was in 2005. Which is why league and park adjusted stats are necessary. And again OPS is not weighted properly. WOBA and WRC+ are much better stats to use.
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Sure they are, Bill James
 
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