Why is it as a result of his neck, when he's had little power in the last 5 years?
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Why is it as a result of his neck, when he's had little power in the last 5 years?
How much further can he dip and stay in the lineup? Right now he's a league average hitting right fielder with poor defense and base running. His OPS the last 3 years are .685/.729/.737.
The fact is, his power is down some based on what he had been doing, and we have no idea how much of that can be attributed to the surgery and lack of preparation for the year.
We'll see. All we do know is that he's been worth what we're paying him this year, maybe a little more.
We'll see. All we do know is that he's been worth what we're paying him this year, maybe a little more.
As long as he keeps giving us wins. He was worth 2 last year, will likely end up ahead of that this year. OBP is worth more than SLG.
Anything else is speculation.
Jeff Passan: One other guy whose name is everywhere: Pedro Alvarez. Said one GM: "Pirates want to get rid of him. They're offering him to everybody."
I wonder if the Braves could persuade the Pirates to take on a portion of CJ's contract for Pedro. Or Uribe (also receiving a low-level prospect).
Alvarez is no great upgrade, but I'd be curious to see what a change of scenery and a few sessions with Seitzer might yield. The power potential is still there.
I wonder if the Braves could persuade the Pirates to take on a portion of CJ's contract for Pedro. Or Uribe (also receiving a low-level prospect).
Alvarez is no great upgrade, but I'd be curious to see what a change of scenery and a few sessions with Seitzer might yield. The power potential is still there.
Here are his "wins per year"
2010-2.4
2011-1.4
2012-1.6
2013-(0.2)
2014-2.5
2015-1.3
That's an average of 1.62 per year (roughly). Take out 2013 and he averages a little less than 2 wins per year. So, essentially you need him to hit better than he has over the last 6 years (or at worst equal; but do so will aged 32/33/34 and not having a drop in baserunning/defense (which is likely due to age)
"More" power next year. I think its fairly certain that he will accomplish more than what he has done this year.
Sure, why not? But, you cant be a fat, power hitting 3B and average 25% flyballs.
There is little power and no power.
sturg33
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Braves aren't in the market for power... the game has changed
chop2chip
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I like Nick. I don't think 3/33 million is a bad contract at all which is what he will be paid moving forward.
And in the very least, even if he becomes unplayable at the back end of his contract then it's a relatively small burden. He's low upside, medium risk reward. That's not the most optimum player, but it's also not something to be obsessed with moving.
And in the very least, even if he becomes unplayable at the back end of his contract then it's a relatively small burden. He's low upside, medium risk reward. That's not the most optimum player, but it's also not something to be obsessed with moving.
This is where I stand. There's a chance Markakis is OPS'ing under .700 by the end of the contract. But there's also a chance he's not and is still giving us a .350 OBP with a little more pop. It still brings up the question as to why we signed him, but he wouldn't be a problem.
Our payroll is likely to go up by quite a bit come 2017, and his contract won't matter much at all.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
You should have stated: that 1.6 in '12 was in 104 games, which over 160 games would translate to 2.4-2.5.
He's been solid, and we're paying him like he's been solid and will remain solid. He had one outlier year the last 6 years. If he keeps up his WAR pace this year, he will be over 2 WAR for three of the last six years (would have likely been 4 of 6 had he played ~150 games in 2012; has played 155 games every year of his career since his rookie year except 2012.
Nicely done.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
The game HAS NOT changed. Perception has changed. The average number of TEAM HR is currently annualizing to about 162HR which would be about what it was in 2012. The average has fluctuated around 160 for the last 10 years or so with the low being last year at 140. The averages have fallen off a bit since testing was started but that has been about 10 off of league average.
The game is not going back to deadball, slap it the other way, steal a base and get sacrificed home no matter how much some may want it to be that way because that way fits better with current team possibilities.
The Braves are woefully short on power. Trying to explain that away as unimportant is just whistling past the graveyard.
Going strictly by the 7 mil per WAR value is really a losing proposition for a mid level payroll team. Particularly when you are talking about a player who is worth 2 WAR or less. It's pretty easy to find a guy for the minimum (or 2-3 mil at least) that can put up 1-1.5 WAR, so it's not like Markakis is some value.
We are going to need to be around 40-45 total WAR for a year to have a solid playoff team (the Giants and Royals managed to sneak in with 38-39ish last year). We can't even afford to pay 3 mil per WAR with our current payroll and reach 40 WAR. So paying market value for a player with 2.5 WAR upside is a pretty bad idea IMO, particularly when that player plays a corner OF spot, which is one of the best spots to hide a great bat, average defense player.
So 3 out of 6 years in his prime. What is your point again?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Does every single player need to be a "value"? And it's arguable Markakis has been, anyway. 2 WAR outfielders don't grow on trees, and to throw out his intangibles and veteran presence is also silly (some may overstate that part, fine; but it is something, in some capacity).