As I noted in the other thread that boat is gone. I think Maybin is a likely DFA candidate.
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As I noted in the other thread that boat is gone. I think Maybin is a likely DFA candidate.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Maybin is due 8 million next year so why would we DFA him?
Yeah, not following that.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
The only way I see that happening is if Hart already has a trade in place a la the Anthony Varvaro trade. Varvaro was DFA'd but the trade was in place already. We just had to wait a day or two to find out the details.
Because he's not good? There is a reason he was DFA at one point this past offseason.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
He hasn't been bad offensively overall, esp. considering his stolen bases. So considering that and his 8 million due next season I'd expect he'd stay with us going into next year if no one wants him in a deal.
He had one great month when he got regular playing time so that boosted his stats all year. He's played really bad since then and is just getting worse.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
He was solid in June too hitting .314 AVG., .366 OBP and .739 OPS. Plus he's hit a bit better his last 7 games overall after his bad July. So I wouldn't write him off just yet.
I just think his overall body of work in his career speaks for itself. People got excited about the good start. IMO that's all it was. He's the same bad hitter he has been for his career.
No doubt about that, but he hasn't been close to DFA bad this season. He's been close to a 1 WAR player this season, and plays a premium position. We could easily trade him without paying more than 20-25% of his contract at worst, and probably get it completely picked up. His defense has been bad in CF, but not too many GMs seem to pay attention to defensive stats in trades. I doubt we get anything of value for him since we waited to long to trade him, but he's tradeable.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
That is my guess too, I do agree that we probably already waited too long to sell high and garner the type of interest he had when he was hot. But that doesn't mean they won't at least be able to move his contract. We are just less likely to get a return worth noting now.
DirkPiggler
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Agreed. It makes no sense to DFA Maybin. If we have to pay him, might as well keep him around as a 4th outfielder or something. It's worth taking the chance that he could rebound to close to his early season form, unless of course you can find someone to take on his salary in a trade.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Maybin has been hurt. He has talent, his prospect ratings speak to that.
I think Maybin is a piece in a deal, especially if we would pay some of his way.
But I agree that I don't think he's the long term answer and that he's not good enough of a hitter to play a corner.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Speaking of the Braves payroll....we're getting NO ONE! I mean NO ONE of significance. If we add anything at all, it will be some no good has been that's a half a decade behind his prime. It's back to the JS and the Braves way. They'll spin it any way they want, saying so and so is a championship caliber player and yada yada yada but truth be told, it will be more of the same.
The economics of baseball stink, absolutely stink!
You see, we had this plan, tear it all down, build it back up. Stock pile young high upside pitching at all costs, clear payroll, using that depth and money to acquire hitters. Except hitters, especially power middle of the order type hitters are fewer and far between, and bring a premium, and we as an organization just simply can not and will not be able to afford it. Little did I know, and it's Frank Wren's fault, but this is not the early 90's anymore. It's apparent now, that we as an organization, are at a disadvantage, we can't outbid anyone for these type of players, and our stockpiled pitching isn't worth a premium like it was just a few years ago as most teams have enough pitching.
The economics of baseball stink, absolutely stink!
You see, we had this plan, tear it all down, build it back up. Stock pile young high upside pitching at all costs, clear payroll, using that depth and money to acquire hitters. Except hitters, especially power middle of the order type hitters are fewer and far between, and bring a premium, and we as an organization just simply can not and will not be able to afford it. Little did I know, and it's Frank Wren's fault, but this is not the early 90's anymore. It's apparent now, that we as an organization, are at a disadvantage, we can't outbid anyone for these type of players, and our stockpiled pitching isn't worth a premium like it was just a few years ago as most teams have enough pitching.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
The Economics of baseball is just an excuse made by those Owners/GM's for teams that are badly run.
Look at the teams that are at the top of their divisions and/or in contention for the playoffs, this year and last.
When was the last time the so called "large market" teams won a WS? (That's a stupid term by the way since the Braves are not only the only team in one of the top ten metros in the country but also are the de facto team for most of the southeast).
The one advantage that the big spending teams have is that they can buy their way out of mistakes without it having as much of a long term effect as it has on other teams. But, they are also pressured by their demanding fan bases to make big splashes for expensive players that are sometimes risky.
dak
Well-known member
Here's the 2016 payroll I have captured with 4 spots on the 25-man roster open. Showing signing bonuses pro-rated across guaranteed years (I believe this is how must clubs do their accounting). Realistically, I think Maybin will be traded. If that comes to pass, we'd have about $45m to spend assuming a $110m budget.
Position Name Proj. Salary
SP1 Shelby Miller $4,000,000
SP2 Julio Teheran $3,466,667
SP3 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
SP4 Matt Wisler $525,000
SP5 Ban / Perez / Folty $525,000
RP1 Winkler $525,000
RP2 Withrow / Banuelos $525,000
RP3 Shae Simmons $550,000
RP4 Paco Rodriguez $525,000
RP5 Arodys Vizcaino $750,000
RP6 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
RP7 Jason Grilli $3,500,000
C1 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
C2 Christian Bethancourt $550,000
3B Hector Olivera $4,000,000
SS Andrelton Simmons $6,142,850
2B Jace Peterson $525,000
1B Freddie Freeman $12,359,375
UIF1 Daniel Castro $525,000
UIF2 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
LF Cameron Maybin $8,000,000
CF Michael Bourn $14,000,000
RF Nick Markakis $11,000,000
UOF1 Dian Toscano $1,300,000
UOF2 Nick Swisher $15,000,000
Approx $ from CLE -$15,000,000
$73,293,892
Position Name Proj. Salary
SP1 Shelby Miller $4,000,000
SP2 Julio Teheran $3,466,667
SP3 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
SP4 Matt Wisler $525,000
SP5 Ban / Perez / Folty $525,000
RP1 Winkler $525,000
RP2 Withrow / Banuelos $525,000
RP3 Shae Simmons $550,000
RP4 Paco Rodriguez $525,000
RP5 Arodys Vizcaino $750,000
RP6 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
RP7 Jason Grilli $3,500,000
C1 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
C2 Christian Bethancourt $550,000
3B Hector Olivera $4,000,000
SS Andrelton Simmons $6,142,850
2B Jace Peterson $525,000
1B Freddie Freeman $12,359,375
UIF1 Daniel Castro $525,000
UIF2 FREE AGENT / TRADE $0
LF Cameron Maybin $8,000,000
CF Michael Bourn $14,000,000
RF Nick Markakis $11,000,000
UOF1 Dian Toscano $1,300,000
UOF2 Nick Swisher $15,000,000
Approx $ from CLE -$15,000,000
$73,293,892
He might be tradeable in the sense we could give him away to a team but he has pretty much no value imo. He's a poor hitter and I suspect his line this season will be really close to his career WRC+ mark.
A lot of people assumed he would be DFAed or shipped off for next to nothing when the season ended anyways. Somehow that perception changed when he started off well. I feel Mallex is being groomed for center and unless he bombs from here through ST that it's his spot to lose. Maybin has no room and has simply been a place holder.
If that came to pass, I would want to just sign a veteran catcher (possibly bring AJ back) for cheap, do the same with the other bench spot (Uribe or a decent OF option) and RP, as I don't think Toscano will be on the roster, then use about $40 million on a pitcher and OF. I doubt they'll do that, but that's my hope.