2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

BedellBrave said:
If you want to believe so.
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I'm not sure what I think so help me out here.
Do I just parrot moveon / soros or not ?

Because if I do, well then I'm kinda in limbo here
because I am in need of marching orders

was I supposed to be in Chicago last night or Dayton today --
.....

moveon is a relic from the 2000 election. That is 16 years ago, 2 administrations, an internet, facebook,twitter more dating and porn sites than I care to admit knowing about.

And, gay marriage, Obamacare, Trayvon Martin Occupy etc etc etc.

Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton and moveon are museum pieces.
Please be creative and find an up to date bogeyman

Oh yeah, kids dont wear their pants down to their knees any more either
 
57Brave said:
I'm not sure what I think so help me out here.
Do I just parrot moveon / soros or not ?

Because if I do, well then I'm kinda in limbo here
because I am in need of marching orders

was I supposed to be in Chicago last night or Dayton today --
.....

moveon is a relic from the 2000 election. That is 16 years ago, 2 administrations, an internet, facebook,twitter more dating and porn sites than I care to admit knowing about.

And, gay marriage, Obamacare, Trayvon Martin Occupy etc etc etc.

Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton and moveon are museum pieces.
Please be creative and find an up to date bogeyman

Oh yeah, kids dont wear their pants down to their knees any more either
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Okie dokie.
 
Julio3000 said:
When I think it's overheated, yeah.

Tell me what moveon.org did to plan that action. If you're going to say "they sent out an email" . . . I dunno, man. Is that a "rent-a-mob"? Those are your words. Do you want to stand behind them or not?

Sure, George Soros has given money to MoveOn. It's not a 527 or a superPAC anymore. Its donors are a matter of public record. It doesn't appear that Soros is the financial muscle behind the organization. Am I wrong?
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I'll try to provide a sufficient number of qualifications, caveats, and nuance next time. Let me know if I do a better job.

Oh, have you thought further about the Democrats for Trump thingy?
 
Someone go tell Soros that these protestors are actually helping Trump. Making his base stronger and wider... and whiter... amirite?
 
I am hearing reports the Chicago protesters were veteran organizers of 2000 South Florida college Republicans on orders from Karl Rove.

Mess with the Bush Family ...
 
BedellBrave said:
I'll try to provide a sufficient number of qualifications, caveats, and nuance next time. Let me know if I do a better job.

Oh, have you thought further about the Democrats for Trump thingy?
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Cruz's better performances in states with closed primaries/caucuses seems to indicate that Trump is pulling support from independents, non-republicans, and presumably some Democrats. On the other hand, there's enough exit poll data to effectively knock down the idea that Democrats voting for Trump have been enough to carry him to the top spot. Sure, that's not definitive, but it's more concrete than just, you know, the feeling that it's happening.

You've seemed pretty intent on laying blame for the Trump phenomenon outside the Republican party. I've been focused on the Republicans' indulgence of Trump himself for the last several years, and the general trend of Tea party types adopting similar rhetoric in the areas of immigration and fearmongering about terrorism/Islamic extremism. Since this is happening within the context of a Republican primary, I'm pretty comfortable with my position to this point. If he gets to the general election and his base of support broadens, I'll reevaluate that conclusion. I'm inclined to think that he'll drive away more folks than he attracts, but that remains to be seen.
 
Julio3000 said:
Cruz's better performances in states with closed primaries/caucuses seems to indicate that Trump is pulling support from independents, non-republicans, and presumably some Democrats. On the other hand, there's enough exit poll data to effectively knock down the idea that Democrats voting for Trump have been enough to carry him to the top spot. Sure, that's not definitive, but it's more concrete than just, you know, the feeling that it's happening.

You've seemed pretty intent on laying blame for the Trump phenomenon outside the Republican party. I've been focused on the Republicans' indulgence of Trump himself for the last several years, and the general trend of Tea party types adopting similar rhetoric in the areas of immigration and fearmongering about terrorism/Islamic extremism. Since this is happening within the context of a Republican primary, I'm pretty comfortable with my position to this point. If he gets to the general election and his base of support broadens, I'll reevaluate that conclusion. I'm inclined to think that he'll drive away more folks than he attracts, but that remains to be seen.
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That was pretty much book from the get-go. I think where Trump surprised is that he out-did all the establishment types people thought would win the primary states. Cruz has a very strong ground game headed up by experienced social conservatives. I have my own theories about Trump, but they haven't congealed enough to represent a cogent enough set to espouse.
 
Julio3000 said:
Cruz's better performances in states with closed primaries/caucuses seems to indicate that Trump is pulling support from independents, non-republicans, and presumably some Democrats. On the other hand, there's enough exit poll data to effectively knock down the idea that Democrats voting for Trump have been enough to carry him to the top spot. Sure, that's not definitive, but it's more concrete than just, you know, the feeling that it's happening.

You've seemed pretty intent on laying blame for the Trump phenomenon outside the Republican party. I've been focused on the Republicans' indulgence of Trump himself for the last several years, and the general trend of Tea party types adopting similar rhetoric in the areas of immigration and fearmongering about terrorism/Islamic extremism. Since this is happening within the context of a Republican primary, I'm pretty comfortable with my position to this point. If he gets to the general election and his base of support broadens, I'll reevaluate that conclusion. I'm inclined to think that he'll drive away more folks than he attracts, but that remains to be seen.
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The one thing that I have noticed about you is how much you've been focused on the Republican Trump indulgence over the last several years.
 
Julio3000 said:
Cruz's better performances in states with closed primaries/caucuses seems to indicate that Trump is pulling support from independents, non-republicans, and presumably some Democrats. On the other hand, there's enough exit poll data to effectively knock down the idea that Democrats voting for Trump have been enough to carry him to the top spot. Sure, that's not definitive, but it's more concrete than just, you know, the feeling that it's happening.

You've seemed pretty intent on laying blame for the Trump phenomenon outside the Republican party. I've been focused on the Republicans' indulgence of Trump himself for the last several years, and the general trend of Tea party types adopting similar rhetoric in the areas of immigration and fearmongering about terrorism/Islamic extremism. Since this is happening within the context of a Republican primary, I'm pretty comfortable with my position to this point. If he gets to the general election and his base of support broadens, I'll reevaluate that conclusion. I'm inclined to think that he'll drive away more folks than he attracts, but that remains to be seen.
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Well from the links I provide you, you know it's not just now a "feeling that it's happening." Smh.

If you think I'm intent on laying the blame for the Trump phenomenon outside the Republican party then either I'm not communicating well or you are wanting to read me that way or a combination thereof. Certainly there's a large swathe (what between 30-45%?) of the Republicans that are the reason he's winning. The point I'm adding, that it seems you've been pretty steadfast in wanting to dismiss (for what reason I don't know), is that there's also a substantial (see the poll link that I've provided for you) of Democrats across the South (though smaller than it would have been 15-20 years ago), in Appalachia, and across now, as we are seeing, the Rust Belt, that are drawn to Trump. I have no idea why that's so hard for you to swallow. Are you embarrassed by it? Think knuckle draggers are only found across the aisle? I think Budweiser does pretty good on both sides of the aisle.
 
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