GDT 8/14/2013: Phillies @ Braves

chopdrew said:
Offense. And when Pastornicky hits 21 hrs in a season i'll buy that he's "much better" than Uggla offensively. You people put so much stock in batting average. It's cute.
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Dude, Uggla sucks. You might have the same eye sight as him...

I'll stop putting so much stock into batting average just as soon as MLB stops handing out accolades for it.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
I miss him too but I've seen it so many times that I'm sick of it. I'm sick of all these rain delay shows. Why can't they show something different?
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It was the first time I'd seen it, but I agree they tend to re-run stuff over and over. Wish they had the rights to some old highlights video or something like that.
 
Also, I've had LASIK. It's phenomenal. It's Tommy John for the optic system. I see better than 20/20 now. It wouldn't surprise me if he saw significant improvement from this.
 
chopdrew said:
Also, I've had LASIK. It's phenomenal. It's Tommy John for the optic system. I see better than 20/20 now. It wouldn't surprise me if he saw significant improvement from this.
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I agree. I think we are going to see a better Uggla in September. I really do not want him on the team but his level of ineptitude was much more than just simple regression.
 
Batting average does matter to an extent. You have to prove that you can actually hit a baseball. Not saying you need to hit 300 but you can't hit 230 and be effective IMO for a long period of time. Sure, there is the rare case of Adam Dunn but that is few and far between.
 
chopdrew said:
So they would've cut him, knowing they'd still have had to pay him for three years, OR, they would've traded him to some team and ate 80 cents on the dollar to get rid of him?
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I'm pretty sure part of 50's point was that they'd let him walk (instead of signing him long term to a big contract right away like we did).
 
chopdrew said:
The statement "batting average doesn't matter, but his obp is low." isnt at all contradictory. I understand how on base percentage is calculated.

I do think playing for one run is foolish. At any point. A team should be fighting to keep an inning from ending, regardless of who the pitcher is.

I'm probably Uggla's biggest supporter. I think his HR's, RBIs, and runs scored are undervalued. But if he's going to keep up his current contact rate, he's gonna have to walk a lot more.

Do you think batting average matters? If so, please never address me again.
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Yeah batting average matters and I'm going to address you with it whether you like it or not.

There's only a certain amount of walks a player can draw unless they're being pitched around ala Barry Bonds. Dan Uggla isn't a player that pitchers pitch around. He draws walks by having a good eye and taking borderline pitches that sometimes get him on base and sometimes send him back to the pine. Statistically there's only so many walks a guy like Uggla can take before he has hardly any hits and has a record smashing amount of strikeouts. If you're already one of the top players at drawing walks and your OBP is still hovering around .300...then the only other plausible explanation is batting average. You see if Mr. Uggla had a "normal" batting average of .250 or so, he'd now have an OBP of about .370. Oh how wonderful would that be?!?

Hitting the ball and not getting out wins games. What a novel idea!

If you're going to ***** and moan about being talked down to, I'd suggest not talking down to others at the same time.
 
thethe said:
Batting average does matter to an extent. You have to prove that you can actually hit a baseball. Not saying you need to hit 300 but you can't hit 230 and be effective IMO for a long period of time. Sure, there is the rare case of Adam Dunn but that is few and far between.
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You can if you walk enough to keep your obp at a respectable level. My point is, and has been for a while, that there is no difference between a walk and a hit. I believe that. Getting on base is better than not getting on base. Has Uggla been doing that enough? No. He hasn't. And I agree with anyone else who thinks that. I just think we put way too much stock in a "batting" stat that throws out between 25-35% of a guys at bats.
 
ESP47 said:
Yeah batting average matters and I'm going to address you with it whether you like it or not.

There's only a certain amount of walks a player can draw unless they're being pitched around ala Barry Bonds. Dan Uggla isn't a player that pitchers pitch around. He draws walks by having a good eye and taking borderline pitches that sometimes get him on base and sometimes send him back to the pine. Statistically there's only so many walks a guy like Uggla can take before he has hardly any hits and has a record smashing amount of strikeouts. If you're already one of the top players at drawing walks and your OBP is still hovering around .300...then the only other plausible explanation is batting average. You see if Mr. Uggla had a "normal" batting average of .250 or so, he'd now have an OBP of about .370. Oh how wonderful would that be?!?

Hitting the ball and not getting out wins games. What a novel idea!

If you're going to ***** and moan about being talked down to, I'd suggest not talking down to others at the same time.
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Well, enjoy being wrong. Batting average is obsolete as a measure of a players effectiveness.
 
Braves1976 said:
I'm pretty sure part of 50's point was that they'd let him walk (instead of signing him long term to a big contract right away like we did).
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Sure, but he hit .290 the year before they traded for him. I'm sure that was enough for some people. Hell, his first year here he only hit .233, but he had 36 hr. That's an output I was more than happy with.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Good job working around some bad luck. Let's score early and often.
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Janish is solid defensively at short and I don't mean to pick on him. But Simmons likely makes both those plays for outs. That's just how great Simmons is defensively. It makes you appreciate him even more when he's not in there.
 
chopdrew said:
Also, I've had LASIK. It's phenomenal. It's Tommy John for the optic system. I see better than 20/20 now. It wouldn't surprise me if he saw significant improvement from this.
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I had it back in 2000 and agree that it is awesome. As long as his bat speed hasn't dropped off as some here have speculated then he should at least clearly see the ball miss his bat. 😄
 
chopdrew said:
You can if you walk enough to keep your obp at a respectable level. My point is, and has been for a while, that there is no difference between a walk and a hit. I believe that. Getting on base is better than not getting on base. Has Uggla been doing that enough? No. He hasn't. And I agree with anyone else who thinks that. I just think we put way too much stock in a "batting" stat that throws out between 25-35% of a guys at bats.
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If you truly believe there's no difference between a hit and a walk you need to get a clue. It's a hell of a lot easier to score on 3 singles in a row than it is to get 4 straight walks to score a run. And for all the praise you're giving Uggla about having 21 homeruns he still has a slugging percentage below .400 and an OPS below .600. Sorry but those are terrible numbers especially when the guy's average is .180.
 
Tapate50 said:
Anyone feel like having Simmons in there would have shortened that inning by about 7 or 8 pitches?
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Not sure if he could have done anyting with Browns grounder but he definitely makes the play on Michael Young.

Shouldn't be a slight to Janish because Simmons might be only a handful of MLB SS that can make that play.
 
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