Fredi fired

GovClintonTyree said:
Perhaps. Let's not kid ourselves that this team will be better now that they've fired Fredi.

It impacts nothing, other than somebody lost their job. They're still utterly void of power with a poor roster other than some very promising pitching, a good backup catcher, two good outfielders and a first baseman. The rest Snitker could have just as easily managed in Gwinnett. And has.
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The only thing this does is it puts a lot of guys on notice, which may or not make a difference. I expect to lose close to 100 games with the guys on the field, but the simply going through the motions had to stop. I'm not an all hell-for-leather guy. Felipe Alou ran a lot of his teams into the ground in the second half because he had them playing with blood coming out of their eyeballs for the first half of the season. But professionals need to play professionally. Hopefully, this accomplishes that.
 
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yeezus said:
this is not the point at all. no one is blaming fredi for the terrible roster.
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Right. I got tired of him getting hammered on this site as though his "awful managerial decisions" were the reason for 9-28. Nerfherders has it right, above. And I'm not sad to see him go, I'm just pointing out that he's not the cause, but he is the sacrifice. Kinda like tossing a virgin in a volcano.

Edit: See Enscheff above.
 
For the love of God, please either play mallex in LF with inciarte in cf or inciarte in RF, mallex in cf, and nick in lf
 
50PoundHead said:
I mentioned Snitker as well. I think this is just the start. Broom will sweep clean at the end of the season.
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If that happens, it is unfortunate. I think Eddie Perez deserves a shot.

I definitely don't want a manager who makes decisions based off what he sees on a spread sheet.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Perhaps. Let's not kid ourselves that this team will be better now that they've fired Fredi.

It impacts nothing, other than somebody lost their job. They're still utterly void of power with a poor roster other than some very promising pitching, a good backup catcher, two good outfielders and a first baseman. The rest Snitker could have just as easily managed in Gwinnett. And has.
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It wasn't about wins and losses. Fredi just continued to make illogical decisions.
 
Haven't been in in a while, but wanted to chime in;
One of the reason I think DeRosa is the right choice long-term is because he's the best of both worlds. He's a Ivy Leaguer, so even if he is a "baseball guy," he's still of above average intelligence. He also played in the bigs for years, so that stupid crap about "you can't know the game unless you've played it" all the meatheads trot out whenever long-held baseball wisdom is questioned is invalid with Mark too. I really thought he should've been Bud Selig's replacement. The Braves should drive to his house today if they can...
 
chopdrew said:
Haven't been in in a while, but wanted to chime in;
One of the reason I think DeRosa is the right choice long-term is because he's the best of both worlds. He's a Ivy Leaguer, so even if he is a "baseball guy," he's still of above average intelligence. He also played in the bigs for years, so that stupid crap about "you can't know the game unless you've played it" all the meatheads trot out whenever long-held baseball wisdom is questioned is invalid with Mark too. I really thought he should've been Bud Selig's replacement. The Braves should drive to his house today if they can...
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I hope you get the job, Mark, just so long as you post here still once you do.
 
The interim manager will be sort of Russ Nixon 2.0. The team's stockpiled pitching prospects, planning to eventually contend and then gives the manager the boot. Hopefully, history repeats itself with another, worst to first, zeroes to heroes, chumps to champs...but this might take a while longer...
 
Knucksie said:
The interim manager will be sort of Russ Nixon 2.0. The team's stockpiled pitching prospects, planning to eventually contend and then gives the manager the boot. Hopefully, history repeats itself with another, worst to first, zeroes to heroes, chumps to champs...but this might take a while longer...
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That process started in 1985 when Bobby Cox was the GM and put into place, along with Paul Snyder, the emphasis on pitching and player development. The Braves didn't have the benefit of having some valuable chips they could trade off for prospects. The majority of what they built back then was based on their hard nosed scouting ability.

When Coppy/Hart started this process a year ago, they had the benefit of having those valuable pieces they could flip to rebuild a struggling farm system that had eroded under the previous front office. As a result, this rebuild will likely be quicker because they will not have to spend years drafting the talent to develop. They traded for a big part of it in the past year.
 
I think the problem with Fredi was aesthetic as much as anything else. I don't know what his ACT score was (not that it should matter), but he always came across as less than sharp. Anyone who has played Strat-o-matic knows the basic outlines of baseball strategy, so I think anyone who has been around the game at the professional level can push the buttons. It's the other stuff that matters more and while Bobby and Fredi would probably struggle to use more than a three-letter word in a game of Scrabble making whatever difference they had in the dugout not very considerable, Bobby never lost the team. The biggest difference in how they ran their teams is Fredi's use of the bullpen. I always thought he played match-ups way too heavily and as a result wore down his guys. Bobby platooned very aggressively, especially in Toronto, so I didn't see a huge difference between them there (although Fredi's gone way overboard a couple of times this season).
 
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