Fredi fired

mfree80 said:
You really don't think a guy who is with them every day, works with them on their development, side issues, and life issues, knows some things about them that might not be on a spreadsheet? He also probably knows more about them as people and about the game of Baseball than you and I.

There are two extremes here. Neither are appropriate all of the time.
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Why do non-statheads always assume that when someone brings up stats to make point that's literally the only thing they think should ever inform a baseball decision? I use stats in discussion because, as a baseball fan who is not affiliated with the Braves organization, it's the only thing I actually know and can talk about with certainty.

Would I have a problem with it if a manager knows a guy's grandma is on her death bed and his head's not in the game so he gives him the night off even though the guy mashes lefties and there's a lefty on the mound? Of course not. And in isolated cases I'm not going to complain about the decision because I know there might be a situation like that that I'm not privvy to. On the other hand, when you have a guy like Fredi who consistently makes decisions that don't seem to make any sense, after a while it seems more likely that he just doesn't have a good grasp of in-game decision making.
 
Enscheff said:
Before I call you an idiot, I want to be clear...

Are you saying you do NOT want the manager of the Atlanta Braves to make decisions about lineup construction, bullpen usage and in game tactics based upon actual statistical data?
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I'm saying that I don't want a manager who can't find his way without looking at a spread sheet. I do want a manager that understands personalities and can handle the club house.
 
smootness said:
Again, though, this isn't Fred.
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I did not say it was, but I'm also going to say that Fredi not using a spreadsheet to make in game decisions is the reason he did not succeed in Atlanta as the manager. I think his lack of success is more due to how he handled the clubhouse. When the players don't believe the manager has their backs, they won't give everything they have for him. The Fredi I wanted to get when we hired him in 2011 was the one that benched Hanley Ramirez for loafing after a ball, not the one that continues to play Erik Aybar despite his loafing.
 
Damn, I only got to use this once.

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Can't wait for the Braves PR spin, their twitter already using the word "dismissed" just like they did for Wren. We're gonna find out how bad of a guy Fredi was, etc.
 
yeezus said:
this is not the point at all. no one is blaming fredi for the terrible roster.
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FWIW - EVERY SINGLE host and analyst on XM today has called the move an utter joke. The funny thing about this is that they're right to a point. Really can't disagree with them when they say that this sure does smell like the brass is trying to deflect the attention that they put such a *hitty team together this season that NO ONE could've won more than a couple more games with this group - AND that they misled fans by creating unreachable expectations.

Again, this appears not to have anything to do with Fredi's Xs and Os - apparently. I understand (and even agree at times) when some people who are watching every inning of every game criticize some of his moves. It's understandable when people complain about Mallex not playing or leading off as well IMO. Even his questionable handling of the pen at times. The thing is, Hart didn't mention any of these as being concerns. He says "we need a new voice". I'm sorry, but a new voice isn't going to help this team win more games - this is a BAD team, and the only thing that's going to help it win more games is better players. Hart's just playing politics and speaking GM-Speak because admitting that would 1.) mean he's admitting they did a bad job cobbling the team together last winter and 2.) mean that they were outright lying when they tried to sell the idea that the team would be better than last season.

I think many of us understood that that's what they were doing all along, and that we were prepared to be really bad. The difference is that most people here aren't your typical "fans" - folks here pay much closer attention than your "average" or "typical" fan. However these "experts" who have a podium to shout from don't see the mistakes (in our opinions) that he often makes because they're not watching nearly as closely. Those guys somehow believe that Fredi's being "blamed" or made to be a "scapegoat" unfairly. From afar, that's kinda understandable - the brass didn't come out and list any reasons other than wanting a new voice in the clubhouse.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think the problem with Fredi was aesthetic as much as anything else. I don't know what his ACT score was (not that it should matter), but he always came across as less than sharp. Anyone who has played Strat-o-matic knows the basic outlines of baseball strategy, so I think anyone who has been around the game at the professional level can push the buttons. It's the other stuff that matters more and while Bobby and Fredi would probably struggle to use more than a three-letter word in a game of Scrabble making whatever difference they had in the dugout not very considerable, Bobby never lost the team. The biggest difference in how they ran their teams is Fredi's use of the bullpen. I always thought he played match-ups way too heavily and as a result wore down his guys. Bobby platooned very aggressively, especially in Toronto, so I didn't see a huge difference between them there (although Fredi's gone way overboard a couple of times this season).
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Fredi took the ACT in Cuba 40 years ago???
 
yeezus said:
using "dismissed" is extremely common in sports.
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Not as common as fired.

I've only noticed the Braves do it with our previous hitting coaches Pre-Seitzer, Wren, and now Fredi. Then again, we haven't fired many personnel in the last 15 years.
 
The Don said:
Not as common as fired.

I've only noticed the Braves do it with our previous hitting coaches Pre-Seitzer, Wren, and now Fredi. Then again, we haven't fired many personnel in the last 15 years.
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I've rarely seen teams tweet "The organization has fired so-and-so." It's almost always "dismissed" or "let go" or "is parting ways."
 
As I've said for a long time, he should have been gone when the decision was made to tear it down and start over. Last year and this year was the time to see what your internal options on the coaching staff could offer. Because doing this now makes it easier for people to say he was just being scapegoated, and maybe he was. He certainly shouldn't have been drug along like this. Regardless, he is a freaking awful manager and needed to be gone. There is simply no denying that.
 
bravesnumberone said:
As I've said for a long time, he should have been gone when the decision was made to tear it down and start over. Last year and this year was the time to see what your internal options on the coaching staff could offer. Because doing this now makes it easier for people to say he was just being scapegoated, and maybe he was. He certainly shouldn't have been drug along like this. Regardless, he is a freaking awful manager and needed to be gone. There is simply no denying that.
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Fredi was easily the fall guy and I think he even knew it.

There's no point in bringing someone new because you'd can them anyways. And no high profile manager would want to come here that soon during a rebuild.
 
The defense of Fredi by DOB and Schultz is ridiculous, too, and missing the greater point. Everybody is so damn concerned about Fredi being "a nice guy." It was the same crap with Mark Richt. Atlanta/Georgia sports media is a joke.
 
Didn't see this in the thread.

TP has been moved to bench coach.

Eddie to first base coach.

Marty Reed to bullpen coach.
 
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