Braves get Matusz from o's

skillet said:
I don't understand this logic. We are sending Baltimore $3.9MM. How could we then use that same money to pay a top 20 talent at 40?
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You get the money associated with the pick. Has nothing to do with how much you can actually spend. If that were true the Dodgers could tell whoever to hold out and they'd shell out 5-10 million for 10 players in the first 10 rounds.
 
ChadWC said:
Not even close to being accurate. It's the money not the pick. They want to draft a first round guy at 40 and use this money to help pay for him and sign a college senior for $100,000 at 76. This has nothing to do with who is picked at 76.

90% of the people on this board are out of touch with reality. They complain like 14 year old school girls who had their cell phone taken by their parents. The Braves can do nothing right.
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Could you possibly be any more condescending or less respectful?
 
ChadWC said:
Not even close to being accurate. It's the money not the pick. They want to draft a first round guy at 40 and use this money to help pay for him and sign a college senior for $100,000 at 76. This has nothing to do with who is picked at 76.

90% of the people on this board are out of touch with reality. They complain like 14 year old school girls who had their cell phone taken by their parents. The Braves can do nothing right.
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I didn't speculate at all at how we plan to use the pick so save your rant for someone who actually said such. Plus how we plan to use it says nothing as far as whether or not we overpayed for the pick itself. I gave my opinion on that based on how I rank the players and considering the money payed. If you disagree that's fine but you and others being assholes and acting like children in your responses to my opinion can kiss my ass.
 
Braves1976 said:
I didn't speculate at all at how we plan to use the pick so save your rant for someone who actually said such. Plus how we plan to use it says nothing as far as whether or not we overpayed for the pick itself.
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I know you didn't but I'm telling you why they want picks. And if that pick directly results in the money to sign two top 20 draft guys then I'd say it definitely factors into how much we paid.
 
We all know how much pitching we have in the organization so trading two guys we figure not to be in our plans for a pick is not too bad.....ill take Ellis, Newcomb, Jenkins, etc over them
 
Braves1976 said:
Barker has a deceptive delivery that helps him too, one scout called him a right handed Alex Wood in a sense. He's turned into a real find IMO. Belicik is another good prospect that has been great in Rome. I like his potential quite a bit as well.
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Well, maybe. Except Wood touches 94.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
There was nothing horrible about this trade. We traded two low-end guys for the number 76 pick. Lol
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I agree, the odds of a 2nd rounder panning out vs Barker or Belcik is huge. Paying for draft picks is fine with me. it's not like we gave up last year's 2nd rounder or anything. 2 16th rd guys are doubtful to be anything more than org filler long term.
 
The 76th pick is worth give or take a thousand dollars about $800,000. Draft a college senior at 76 that's projected to go in the teens who will sign for $100,000 and use the $700,000 left over to pay guys at 40 and 44 so you don't accumulate penalties from the draft. It's simple.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
We all know how much pitching we have in the organization so trading two guys we figure not to be in our plans for a pick is not too bad.....ill take Ellis, Newcomb, Jenkins, etc over them
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I wouldn't, Ellis is likely a reliever and has issue walking too many, Newcomb has bust written all over him if he cannot find some control and Jenkins looks like another reliever long-term.
 
So how does this work now with the DFA...do the Braves have to pay him a lump sum of $3.9m or just add his remaining salary to the payroll?
 
jsebe10 said:
So how does this work now with the DFA...do the Braves have to pay him a lump sum of $3.9m or just add his remaining salary to the payroll?
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Braves are paying for Matusz' remaining salary only, which is about $2.8m. Anyone who signs Matusz to an MLB deal after he clears waivers pay him the prorated MLB minimum, which could save the braves $300k.
 
ChadWC said:
The 76th pick is worth give or take a thousand dollars about $800,000. Draft a college senior at 76 that's projected to go in the teens who will sign for $100,000 and use the $700,000 left over to pay guys at 40 and 44 so you don't accumulate penalties from the draft. It's simple.
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damn, beat me to it! Yep, they traded for the pick, but are planning on using $800k or so to buttress going overslot on #40 or #44 so as to up the overall draft value. $800k of draft slush fund is worth at least as much as $4m payroll dollars and 2 low level players because there is a limit with severe punishments for overage. This gives the team the option of something like this :

#3 pick Groome for $5.8 m
#40 pick Kieboom for $2.3m (using the $700k left from Groome)
#44 pick if a guy like Ray falls due to signability (and there's always someone who drops like a rock for $$$ or other reasons) , you could go $2.5m here using the overage from the Matusz deal

Basically, this trade puts us 2nd in overall bonus slot money by $800k below the Reds. This is a good thing!
 
ChadWC said:
The 76th pick is worth give or take a thousand dollars about $800,000. Draft a college senior at 76 that's projected to go in the teens who will sign for $100,000 and use the $700,000 left over to pay guys at 40 and 44 so you don't accumulate penalties from the draft. It's simple.
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I think if you sign em for $100k or less it doesn't count towards the bonus slot so the entire $800k would be left.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
And they are still more highly regarded compared to the guys we traded....
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Rankings change, I am going by what I see from them now. Plus this idea that I must go by others rankings all the time is silly. There are plenty of players that are not top prospects that turn into good MLB players. It reminds me of when folks on scout called me crazy for thinking so highly of Jonny Venters when he was still in the minors.
 
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