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thewupk said:
Take Chipper?
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Chipper was the clear cut #1 guy. Similar to Jason Heyward when they took him. What we are talking about here is if the pitcher and bat are rated equally.

Paul Snyder essentially told the Braves that if they drafted Todd Van Poppel instead of Chipper Jones in 1990, he would resign. I think it is pretty clear that Snyder had Jones rated quite a bit higher than Todd Van Poppel.
 
KB21 said:
Chipper was the clear cut #1 guy. Similar to Jason Heyward when they took him. What we are talking about here is if the pitcher and bat are rated equally.
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Chipper was not a consensus #1 guy. Van Poppel was just as highly rated in that draft year. The next Roger Clemens and Nolan Ryan.
 
thewupk said:
Because Chipper was a hitter
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No. Because he was the higher rated player. Had they been rated equally in Snyder's mind, they probably would have gone for the pitcher. Do you doubt Paul Snyder's stated philosophy of taking the pitcher when the two players are equal?
 
KB21 said:
No. Because he was the higher rated player. Had they been rated equally in Snyder's mind, they probably would have gone for the pitcher. Do you doubt Paul Snyder's stated philosophy of taking the pitcher when the two players are equal?
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Yes I do because of TINSTAAPP. The Braves can't afford to screw up this pick. If you are presented with two choices, a pitcher and a hitter, who are rated pretty equal then you go with the hitter. Because they have a higher chance of actually making the majors and contributing. They are also not one play away, at any moment, of having a career threatening injury like pitchers are.
 
thewupk said:
Yes I do because of TINSTAAPP. The Braves can't afford to screw up this pick. If you are presented with two choices, a pitcher and a hitter, who are rated pretty equal then you go with the hitter. Because they have a higher chance of actually making the majors and contributing. They are also not one play away, at any moment, of having a career threatening injury like pitchers are.
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Ah. I knew it had to be some stathead mumbo jumbo.

The idea that pitching trumps hitting when building a team was one of Wight’s foremost philosophies. In Scout’s Honor, Wight says, “If you get the long range pitching established, you’ve got the nucleus of taking a second division ball club into the division faster than anything.” Snyder took this parlance to heart, acknowledging later that he would opt for the pitcher if the two players were valued equally. Wight recognized that producing pitchers served two purposes. The Braves could use those pitchers to strengthen their own roster. But they could also use superfluous starters to fill other needs through trade. Also in Scout’s Honor, Snyder, while paraphrasing Wight, says, “[Everybody’s] always looking for pitching and if you have pitching you can get players.”
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I'm going to side with Bill Wight and Paul Snyder on this. Give me the pitcher.
 
KB21 said:
You can always use a surplus of pitching to get hitters. Team's aren't going to give away strong pitching though.
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This is a complete mis-read of the current state of baseball.

Baseball goes in cycles. Right now it is in a pitching cycle which means, on average, pitching is more available than hitting.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
This is a complete mis-read of the current state of baseball.

Baseball goes in cycles. Right now it is in a pitching cycle which means, on average, pitching is more available than hitting.
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I generally agree. Which made this off-season a bit puzzling. The starting pitchers on the FA market went fast and at high prices. The market for some pretty good hitters like Justin Upton and Cespedes was slow.
 
nsacpi said:
I generally agree. Which made this off-season a bit puzzling. The starting pitchers on the FA market went fast and at high prices. The market for some pretty good hitters like Justin Upton and Cespedes was slow.
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Agreed but usually there isnt a lot of top end pitchers like Price, Cueto, Greinke among others on the market at one time.
 
I tend to think it's because there is a ton of pitching depth. Lots of 2 WAR arms out there that teams can fall back on, but the bats they want to take their time and see how the market develop because there is such a monetary premium on power these days.
 
Bleacher Report posted a new mock draft article this morning. Has the Braves passing on Groome and taking Lewis:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-breaking-down-top-prospects-and-predictions

"If Lewis is still on the board at No. 3, it's hard to imagine a scenario where the Atlanta Braves don't pick him. The power-hitting outfielder is exactly what the rebuilding organization needs after spending the past couple of years stockpiling young pitchers.

The Mercer standout has shown effortless power to all fields. His natural pop could become even more promising as he fills out his frame with more muscle.

While the amount of movement in his swing, including a high leg kick and a bat waggle, may concern some teams, his motion has a nice flow to it. Trying to make him more quiet at the plate could take away a portion of his bat speed, and it's not worth losing the power potential.

The other aspects of Lewis' game are either average or slightly above at this stage. He's not a generational five-tool prospect. But for the Braves, who desperately need young power hitters who can take an accelerated trip through the minors, he's an ideal fit."
 
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