2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

Of course I see that. My point is/was it is not unprecedented for the media to contact,count and predict super delegates before they actually vote.
Like I said above the 2008 predictions were not as subject to the click bait of 2016

No, it's not comparable. Talking about super delegates and including them in total delegate counts (which has been going on since day 1 of the election. Remember Bernie winning New Hampshire but every news cast showing Hillary with more delegates? It's been a front by the powers that be to dissuade the interest of Bernie supporters from voting.
 
You are talking about news casts which are just that, news casts and they are the only people that have included them. Looking for something to write.
Click bait-

There are pledged delegates (selected by the voters ) and then the Supers.
Clinton has won the pledged delegates and has held a substantial lead since -- Super Tuesday
Nothing actually official until July

I just read two excellent articles about SuperDelegates
one from Daily Kos 2015 and the other Kennedy School Govt from this past April
It isn't like this just was invented because of Bernie Sanders, I had forgotten they centered on the candidacy of George McGovern. 44 years ago.
If I'm not mistaken (50pound could speak to this) it was after 1988 that the winner take all was taken out of the DNC.
Blame Jesse Jackson for Sanders not getting all of NH delegates

It is certain Sanders representatives in the DNC rules committee are addressing your concerns for the next cycle
 
You are talking about news casts which are just that, news casts and they are the only people that have included them. Looking for something to write.
Click bait-

There are pledged delegates (selected by the voters ) and then the Supers.
Clinton has won the pledged delegates and has held a substantial lead since -- Super Tuesday
Nothing actually official until July

I just read two excellent articles about SuperDelegates
one from Daily Kos 2015 and the other Kennedy School Govt from this past April
It isn't like this just was invented because of Bernie Sanders, I had forgotten they centered on the candidacy of George McGovern. 44 years ago.
If I'm not mistaken (50pound could speak to this) it was after 1988 that the winner take all was taken out of the DNC.
Blame Jesse Jackson for Sanders not getting all of NH delegates

It is certain Sanders representatives in the DNC rules committee are addressing your concerns for the next cycle

I actually had to look it up. Superdelegates were added to the Democrats' presidential selection process in 1984. Originally, the only superdelegates were the state party chair and vice-chair in each state, but since then more superdelegates have been added, most of them being elected officials. They were a reaction to the changes advocated by South Dakota Senator George McGovern and Minnesota Congressman Don Fraser in the late-1960s/early-1970s that through the process wide open. The 1968 convention was run by bosses and the liberal wing of the Democratic Party simply tired of that. The "establishment" pushed back after the Reagan blowout in 1980, partly because of the migration of white voters to the Republican column. The goal of the superdelegates is to have some cohesion between the person at the top of the ticket and the office holders down the ballot.

Folks keep talking about third parties, but third parties tend to be short-term reactions to the major candidates (John Anderson in 1980) or a spokesperson for a nebulous set of issues (Ross Perot, Ralph Nader). It is very rare that the concerns raised by a third party aren't incorporated into the platform of one of the major parties, which then takes the teeth out of the third party that generated the positions. That contributes to the reorganization of parties over time (think how the South went from almost completely Democratic from the late-19th to the mid-20th century to where it is almost thoroughly Republican now).
 
You are talking about news casts which are just that, news casts and they are the only people that have included them. Looking for something to write.
Click bait-

But you don't get it. I'm not talking about newscasts. I'm talking about any major race update. AP didn't call the election for Obama after the last primary. Because Super Delegates coudl flip. Right now it's possible all Superdelegates switch to Bernie and he wins. It's not over like they're saying, they're trying to get Bernie out of the race as fast as possible.
 
It is reported Sanders meeting with Obama tomorrow and Warren to endorse HRC by perhaps next week.
and this:


Marshall Cohen
‏@Marshall_Cohen
NYT: Sen. Jeff Merkley, only senator to endorse @BernieSanders, is now backing @HillaryClinton. He's also a superdelegate so that's a flip

.....

Let me also add. I don't know where the clinton campaign came up with the more than 3M vote advantage, because they have been repeating it for over a month.
Bill Clinton from his first mid term until the Gore Convention used the 100,000 cops added to the beat.
The numbers never changed!!! . That is Bill Clinton campaign magic.
If you ask anyone why HRC is the presumptive nominee I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that 3M vote advantage comes up.
Double or nothing? Ask anyone that remembers the times how many cops Clinton put on the beat and that 100,000 number will come up
they don't call him the Big Dog for nothin

Electorally/politically, Bernie never had a chance
 
But you don't get it. I'm not talking about newscasts. I'm talking about any major race update. AP didn't call the election for Obama after the last primary. Because Super Delegates coudl flip. Right now it's possible all Superdelegates switch to Bernie and he wins. It's not over like they're saying, they're trying to get Bernie out of the race as fast as possible.

Found this familiar
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/18/us/party-rules-cited-by-jackson-camp.html

A list of interesting reads on this
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrom...=jesse jackson impact on super delegates 1988
 
It is reported Sanders meeting with Obama tomorrow and Warren to endorse HRC by perhaps next week.
and this:


Marshall Cohen
‏@Marshall_Cohen
NYT: Sen. Jeff Merkley, only senator to endorse @BernieSanders, is now backing @HillaryClinton. He's also a superdelegate so that's a flip

.....

Let me also add. I don't know where the clinton campaign came up with the more than 3M vote advantage, because they have been repeating it for over a month.
Bill Clinton from his first mid term until the Gore Convention used the 100,000 cops added to the beat.
The numbers never changed!!! . That is Bill Clinton campaign magic.
If you ask anyone why HRC is the presumptive nominee I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that 3M vote advantage comes up.
Double or nothing? Ask anyone that remembers the times how many cops Clinton put on the beat and that 100,000 number will come up
they don't call him the Big Dog for nothin

Electorally/politically, Bernie never had a chance

I don't whether that's true, but I did witness the naivete of the Sanders' organization (or lack thereof) at my State Senate District convention about two months ago. Granted, Sanders had won the Minnesota primary handily, but like so many other states, the delegate distribution process is a bit convoluted and we still sub-caucused for individual candidates at the Senate District convention. Perhaps it was because Sanders' had won the Minnesota primary decisively that his team thought it was "game over" and there was nothing more to do, but there was no real Sanders' organization at the convention to keep the younger, less experienced Sanders' delegates on task, which was to stick around for the sub-caucus process. A lot of the young Sanders' delegates to the convention thought they just had to show up, put their name in a hat and hope it was drawn (or become a delegate by texting it on their phone) when delegates to the State Convention were selected. Welllllllllllllllll, if you've ever been to a Democratic convention of any type, you should know you have to sit through about an hour of mind-numbing discussion of rules and process before the fun begins and a lot of the Sanders' delegates left. As it turned out, the sub-caucuses kind of looked like this: The really old folks (some of whom were former or still-practicing hippies) and the millenials were on one side of the room for Bernie and the Boomers and Xers were on the other side for HRC when the convention split into sub-caucuses. It was kind of hilarious for a few of us old hacks.

I imagine that the scene was similar in other states. I think we saw something like that in Nevada where a bunch of Sanders' folks showed up and didn't understand the process and got waxed. Folks can argue about whether or not the rules of the conventions are fair, but those rules were likely set at least a year ago (or longer in many cases) and Sanders' team never really bothered to read them or read them and thought "F*ck this, we'll storm the Bastille." For a bunch of community organizer types, they were woefully unorganized. Early in the campaign, I saw comparisons of the Sanders' movement to Obama's organization in 2008 but that was wishful thinking coming from some of the uber-progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The level of organization in the Sanders' campaign wasn't even close to Obama's (at least from what I witnessed in Minnesota). Not even in the same galaxy. You can start as many revolutions as you want, but you're not going to win one if you arm your troops with water pistols.
 
I don't whether that's true, but I did witness the naivete of the Sanders' organization (or lack thereof) at my State Senate District convention about two months ago. Granted, Sanders had won the Minnesota primary handily, but like so many other states, the delegate distribution process is a bit convoluted and we still sub-caucused for individual candidates at the Senate District convention. Perhaps it was because Sanders' had won the Minnesota primary decisively that his team thought it was "game over" and there was nothing more to do, but there was no real Sanders' organization at the convention to keep the younger, less experienced Sanders' delegates on task, which was to stick around for the sub-caucus process. A lot of the young Sanders' delegates to the convention thought they just had to show up, put their name in a hat and hope it was drawn (or become a delegate by texting it on their phone) when delegates to the State Convention were selected. Welllllllllllllllll, if you've ever been to a Democratic convention of any type, you should know you have to sit through about an hour of mind-numbing discussion of rules and process before the fun begins and a lot of the Sanders' delegates left. As it turned out, the sub-caucuses kind of looked like this: The really old folks (some of whom were former or still-practicing hippies) and the millenials were on one side of the room for Bernie and the Boomers and Xers were on the other side for HRC when the convention split into sub-caucuses. It was kind of hilarious for a few of us old hacks.

I imagine that the scene was similar in other states. I think we saw something like that in Nevada where a bunch of Sanders' folks showed up and didn't understand the process and got waxed. Folks can argue about whether or not the rules of the conventions are fair, but those rules were likely set at least a year ago (or longer in many cases) and Sanders' team never really bothered to read them or read them and thought "F*ck this, we'll storm the Bastille." For a bunch of community organizer types, they were woefully unorganized. Early in the campaign, I saw comparisons of the Sanders' movement to Obama's organization in 2008 but that was wishful thinking coming from some of the uber-progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The level of organization in the Sanders' campaign wasn't even close to Obama's (at least from what I witnessed in Minnesota). Not even in the same galaxy. You can start as many revolutions as you want, but you're not going to win one if you arm your troops with water pistols.

The Dems, just like the Repubs need to clean out their own closets and their own party. I know both Hilldog and Rafael Cruz, just to name two knew the rules better than Bernie and his folks or even the Donald, as each of them (Hilldog and Rafael) were racking up delegates in some primaries even while they were getting their butts kicked in that particular primary. I understand Bernie not knowing the slimy side of the rules (not that it's OK, I just understand) but if it's a low down, back door, smoke filled room kind of rule and Trump doesn't know about it, it just seems kinda weird to me.

Hey Fitty, did you see the Last Week Tonight/John Oliver thing I posted a couple of weeks ago about how primaries really work, etc.? It was another great one. Here is the link for anyone who missed it before.

Last Week Tonight: Primaries and Caucuses
 
As pointed out in a number of the Google links above some f these rules have been in place for 40 years !
Not organizationally being prepared for the process was a disappointing red flag to me
I am reminded of the turning point of the 2008 (D) primary season. To my mind it was when Obama publicly got the Kennedy endorsement. And all that went with it.
First off he got all of the uber talented Kennedy speech writers and stratagists, Secondly he got the grass roots infrastructure that goes back to FDR.
Which is what HRC inherited this time around.
Let me say it again, going back to FDR

Would loved to have been a fly on the wall of the Obama -Clinton meetings after May '08.

Back to Sanders -- I love what he has done moving the party to the left - I think College Reform and further health care reform are viable. I also think minimum wage raises of some sort are a given.
Wall Street I think depends on Warren and what she gets out of this. Behind closed doors.

Sanders and Obama are today having that Hugh Scott meeting
 
The Dems, just like the Repubs need to clean out their own closets and their own party. I know both Hilldog and Rafael Cruz, just to name two knew the rules better than Bernie and his folks or even the Donald, as each of them (Hilldog and Rafael) were racking up delegates in some primaries even while they were getting their butts kicked in that particular primary. I understand Bernie not knowing the slimy side of the rules (not that it's OK, I just understand) but if it's a low down, back door, smoke filled room kind of rule and Trump doesn't know about it, it just seems kinda weird to me.

Hey Fitty, did you see the Last Week Tonight/John Oliver thing I posted a couple of weeks ago about how primaries really work, etc.? It was another great one. Here is the link for anyone who missed it before.

Last Week Tonight: Primaries and Caucuses

But 99% of the time, the rules are simply well spelled-out procedures for the selection of delegates and Sanders' team never spent any time trying to understand them or realize their importance. Same with Trump. All Trump would have had to do to win Iowa is spend half-a-million on an experienced organizer to coordinate a volunteer team. But, like Sanders, he thought he could win at a macro-level and didn't bother to read a lot of the fine print. One of the things that really p*sses me off about this country and our supposed commitment to liberty and civic activity, voters can't take one night out of their lives to head to a precinct caucus, talk issues, and choose candidates. In democracy-starved countries, people risk their lives and stand in lines for hours to cast a vote, but we can't spend three hours in a high school gym or classroom with our neighbors and sort out our political sphere.
 
But 99% of the time, the rules are simply well spelled-out procedures for the selection of delegates and Sanders' team never spent any time trying to understand them or realize their importance. Same with Trump. All Trump would have had to do to win Iowa is spend half-a-million on an experienced organizer to coordinate a volunteer team. But, like Sanders, he thought he could win at a macro-level and didn't bother to read a lot of the fine print. One of the things that really p*sses me off about this country and our supposed commitment to liberty and civic activity, voters can't take one night out of their lives to head to a precinct caucus, talk issues, and choose candidates. In democracy-starved countries, people risk their lives and stand in lines for hours to cast a vote, but we can't spend three hours in a high school gym or classroom with our neighbors and sort out our political sphere.

I think Bernie felt like the grassroots level stuff would win it, which he is old enough and experienced enough in politics to have known better. I'm not really sure about Trump, to be totally honest I think deep down he's as surprised about where he is as anyone. I agree about our political system, it's mess up to be sure, but it's our own fault. So many Americans will believe anything "their party" tells them and even when they find out they are being lied to or at least mislead somewhat they don't really care or at least they don't care enough to do anything about it. If there ever was a nation who deserved to lose their democratic way of life it's us. Remember how when MTV was first created back in 1980 they "advised" that music videos be around 3 1/2 minutes long and never over 4 minutes long? Remember why they tried to put those limits on the length of music videos?
 
Seeing the egregious violence against Trump supporters reminds me why liberals are the most intolerant group of people in the country
 
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