Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

[Russ2dollas]

It's not really overrating his value.

Here's his contract cap hits the next 4.5 years.

3.3 this year, 6.3 mil in 17, 8 mil in 18, 11 mil in 19, and a 12 mil option in 2020.

He essentially has an 8 million cap hit the next 4.5 years, you arent signing a frontline starter for 8 mil in todays baseball.

Which is why i can understand Coppy holding out for a big return. Not like WE MUST TRADE HIM.

Agree 100%.
The contract is key. Which makes me think the sox aren't the best partner and we could wait till the winter meetings. Bc a small market team looking to compete might value him even more bc he would fit in their small budget. Maybe a Royals or pirates type of club without looking at their prospects

 

[bravos4evr]

absolutely, Teheran has incredible value because of his contract. At his present rate of success we are talking $80m+ in excess value (and maybe more)

 

[Heyward]

absolutely, Teheran has incredible value because of his contract. At his present rate of success we are talking $80m+ in excess value (and maybe more)

Thats why i'd keep him or hold out for a Herchel Walker deal, overrating value or not.

His contract is 1.5 years of an ace. When he has 4.5 years left on his deal.

If he was arby eligibile yeah, you deal for the best deal possible but thats not the case here.

 

[Hudson2]

You don't trade JT to get fair value back. If that's the case you keep him. We don't bring up Moncada bc he's the potential #1 prospect in baseball, we bring his name up bc the top team needing pitching and has been linked to him just happens to be Boston, so of course we are gonna ask for their top prospect. The JT trade needs to be a clear cut win just like the Miller trade. And if we don't get a clear win then he opens the park for us next year and Boston can miss out on the playoffs.

 

[Deester11]

You don't trade JT to get fair value back. If that's the case you keep him. We don't bring up Moncada bc he's the potential #1 prospect in baseball, we bring his name up bc the top team needing pitching and has been linked to him just happens to be Boston, so of course we are gonna ask for their top prospect. The JT trade needs to be a clear cut win just like the Miller trade. And if we don't get a clear win then he opens the park for us next year and Boston can miss out on the playoffs.

Excellent post!

 

[Preacher]

You don't trade JT to get fair value back. If that's the case you keep him. We don't bring up Moncada bc he's the potential #1 prospect in baseball, we bring his name up bc the top team needing pitching and has been linked to him just happens to be Boston, so of course we are gonna ask for their top prospect. The JT trade needs to be a clear cut win just like the Miller trade. And if we don't get a clear win then he opens the park for us next year and Boston can miss out on the playoffs.

You're not likely to get a Herschel Walker deal, that's fantasy land that you're going to strip mine every other organization when you makes trades.

He's the biggest piece we have to improve the offense and his value is sky high - if you choose to wait to start a 'bidding war' you risk JTs value going down as well.

 

[bravos4evr]

You're not likely to get a Herschel Walker deal, that's fantasy land that you're going to strip mine every other organization when you makes trades.

He's the biggest piece we have to improve the offense and his value is sky high - if you choose to wait to start a 'bidding war' you risk JTs value going down as well.

Well, you can say that about any player who's trade worthy really. That still doesn't change the fact that he may have more value on the team than in trade if teams don't want to cough up value for him.

 

[Hudson2]

You're not likely to get a Herschel Walker deal, that's fantasy land that you're going to strip mine every other organization when you makes trades.

He's the biggest piece we have to improve the offense and his value is sky high - if you choose to wait to start a 'bidding war' you risk JTs value going down as well.

Again....you don't trade him just bc his value is high. He has a ton of value to us as well. If a team doesn't overpay he opens the new park next year.

 

[Preacher]

Again....you don't trade him just bc his value is high. He has a ton of value to us as well. If a team doesn't overpay he opens the new park next year.

Is there great value in him opening up the park next year if we aren't going to be that good?? I would hope the club isn't using that as a reason to keep him.

As for his value being high, I agree that doesn't mean you ha e to deal him, but if I were to ask you if JT has a higher or lower trade value in the off season which do you think is more realistic?

baseball is all about managing your assets, trading those assets at their peak value is one of ways to do that.

 

[Preacher]

Well, you can say that about any player who's trade worthy really. That still doesn't change the fact that he may have more value on the team than in trade if teams don't want to cough up value for him.

Well if teams don't want to cough up value we all agree you hang onto JT and that's fine.

My biggest argument with people is that everyone wants to get a Hershel Walker return or win in a landslide, not only do I find that unrealistic but I don't think it's necessary either.

Just get fair value, and deal from a position where we have greater numbers (pitchers) to fill greater needs (offense). I don't need a landslide win - give me a package around Benetendi and I'm pretty happy.

Make no mistake - I'd obviously love a landslide win too, but you can only trade with Stewart so often.

 

[Hudson2]

Is there great value in him opening up the park next year if we aren't going to be that good?? I would hope the club isn't using that as a reason to keep him.

As for his value being high, I agree that doesn't mean you ha e to deal him, but if I were to ask you if JT has a higher or lower trade value in the off season which do you think is more realistic?

The reason you deal players at their peak value is they don't get more valuable than that if you hang onto them longer.

He has more value to us competing in a few years and leading a very young and inexperienced pitching staff rather than trading him bc his value is high. And about his calue being higher now or in the offseason? It could be argued either way bc more teams will be after him in the offseason they just might not be as desperate. All of this is moot bc Coppy isn't trading him without an overpay.

 

[bravos4evr]

baseball is all about managing your assets, trading those assets at their peak value is one of ways to do that.

yes, but only if you are maximizing the value by getting a return of excess value. There is no need to trade JT for a "fair trade" because of his control he has equal value to us starting as a fair trade would provide. If he were going to be a free agent in the next season or two, then yes I would 100% agree, move him now for fair value. BUT, he isn't, and those cheap control years make his value worth keeping if someone doesn't want to exceed that value due to need.

 

[nsacpi]

Well if teams don't want to cough up value we all agree you hang onto JT and that's fine.

My biggest argument with people is that everyone wants to get a Hershel Walker return or win in a landslide, not only do I find that unrealistic but I don't think it's necessary either.

Just get fair value, and deal from a position where we have greater numbers (pitchers) to fill greater needs (offense). I don't need a landslide win - give me a package around Benetendi and I'm pretty happy.

Make no mistake - I'd obviously love a landslide win too, but you can only trade with Stewart so often.

I know Hershel Walker trades or Shelby Miller trades don't happen often. But I want to clearly win the trade. I would expect the equivalent of what the Miller trade would have been if we had gotten Swanson and one of Inciarte/Blair. Anything less and I hold on to Julion.

 

[Preacher]

He has more value to us competing in a few years and leading a very young and inexperienced pitching staff rather than trading him bc his value is high. And about his calue being higher now or in the offseason? It could be argued either way bc more teams will be after him in the offseason they just might not be as desperate. All of this is moot bc Coppy isn't trading him without an overpay.

If we are talking about competing 'in a few years' (your words) then you should absolutely look to deal him now, don't waste years of his excess value when we aren't playing for anything.

 

[Preacher]

I know Hershel Walker trades or Shelby Miller trades don't happen often. But I want to clearly win the trade. I would expect the equivalent of what the Miller trade would have been if we had gotten Swanson and one of Inciarte/Blair. Anything less and I hold on to Julion.

Sure that's fine, win the trade, get a Swanson/Blair package; I think that's more realistic.

 

[Preacher]

I know we keep going back and forth on this; but we can all agree how awesome it is that JT has thrown the ball lights out this year and created this conversation.

Wether we keep him or trade him, he's dramatically increased his value.

 

[Deester11]

I know we keep going back and forth on this; but we can all agree how awesome it is that JT has thrown the ball lights out this year and created this conversation.

Wether we keep him or trade him, he's dramatically increased his value.

Finally. He is valuable. I want him here if the package is not right. I do trust Coppy to extract what's fair or above or keep him.

 

[Heyward]

You're not likely to get a Herschel Walker deal, that's fantasy land that you're going to strip mine every other organization when you makes trades.

He's the biggest piece we have to improve the offense and his value is sky high - if you choose to wait to start a 'bidding war' you risk JTs value going down as well.

Again, with his contract, his value is insanely high.

You're not gonna find a #1-2 as cheap as Julio for the next 4.5 years.

Trading him for a good package and not a package that the Braves clearly win is stupid.

 

[Heyward]

Is there great value in him opening up the park next year if we aren't going to be that good?? I would hope the club isn't using that as a reason to keep him.

As for his value being high, I agree that doesn't mean you ha e to deal him, but if I were to ask you if JT has a higher or lower trade value in the off season which do you think is more realistic?

baseball is all about managing your assets, trading those assets at their peak value is one of ways to do that.

Question for question.

Would you trade Mike Trout?

If you're the Angels.

They need close to everything and he's their best trade asset. Now finding a fair trade is another ordeal.

But even still, we dont have to trade Julio.

 

[The Tariff King]

What we get for Julio depends on his performance the next few weeks.

Is he the guy that molested the Mets lineup or the one we saw against Marlins. Needs to sit em down again.