Trade Deadline: What are you willing to do?

Enscheff said:
Yes, considering he is on pace for his second consecutive sub-3 WAR season, is nothing special defensively, and can't hit LHers at all.

What else does Joc do besides hit 25 HRs? He isn't good defensively. He isn't good on the bases. He does walk at a decent clip, but his BA is so low it still results in a mediocre OBP. So why else is a team trying to acquire him?
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Julio for someone to platoon with Frenchy in LF next year perhaps?

Afraid I'd pass.
 
Russ2dollas said:
He's still a power bat. No way are you getting Lucroy for Jenkins. I'm not sure the Brewers take Braun for Jenkins.
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No way I trade Jenkins for Braun and his entire contract. I guess it's just a difference in how we value Braun. I see him as a negative, and I see Lucroy as a positive. Braun + Lucroy is definitely a positive...about the value of 4/5 starter with 6 years of control remaining.

Maybe Braun is worth more. That's why I said "something like" Jenkins...meaning a non-elite prospect.
 
Enscheff said:
No way I trade Jenkins for Braun and his entire contract. I guess it's just a difference in how we value Braun. I see him as a negative, and I see Lucroy as a positive. Braun + Lucroy is definitely a positive...about the value of 4/5 starter with 6 years of control remaining.

Maybe Braun is worth more. That's why I said "something like" Jenkins...meaning a non-elite prospect.
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Lucroy is still going to get a haul. I think it will be 2 top 100 guys or close to it.

Jenkins is not going to get you Braun IMO. I think Braun, especially if you move him to LF is going to be a plus. RH power is our biggest need and I think he can do it for a long time. His money isn't terrible as salaries go up and up and up.

If the Brewers think Braun is half as bad as you do, then we should be able to get him for Gant or Perez as a salary dump.

I would NOT do it. But I think Braun + Lucroy is probably going to be Newcombe + . We really Need Newcombe to work out and be a 1 or 2. Not the centerpiece for over 30 y/o players.
 
Enscheff said:
Yes, considering he is on pace for his second consecutive sub-3 WAR season, is nothing special defensively, and can't hit LHers at all.

What else does Joc do besides hit 25 HRs? He isn't good defensively. He isn't good on the bases. He does walk at a decent clip, but his BA is so low it still results in a mediocre OBP. So why else is a team trying to acquire him?
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He isn't good in CF, but he's good enough there to think he could play LF or RF well. His BABIP coming up some more would help his AVG, and if he can hit .250 his OBP would be really good. It was also .346 last year which I personally wouldn't call mediocre.

I'm also not sure he's had enough ABs against lefties to declare he can't hit them.
 
yeezus said:
I say we just trade Jenkins for Trout and Richards. Richards is hurt for the year so they prob don't want him. Trout is prob gonna get busted for PEDs soon
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Only if we can reel in Chris Sale as well in a three team deal. We would likely have to kick in Terdoslavich though.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm wondering if we may start being buyers this deadline... been weirdly quiet lately.
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us trade for one or two older guys who will help make us respectable to open the new stadium... and hopefully one really good young hitter!!!! ;-)
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm wondering if we may start being buyers this deadline... been weirdly quiet lately.
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While I agree it wouldn't be surprising to see Coppy try to land a piece or two, I'm not sure anyone's actually been made "available" that we'd be all that interested in just yet. While Lucroy makes all the sense in the world, it'd be kinda foolish to get in on the bidding war that's swirling around him at this point given the options that will be available this winter (and other potential trade options that would be less expensive to acquire).

If a younger hitter like Myers or another potential cornerstone piece like Longoria were to be made available I'd expect him to pounce, but this winter's market does actually line up with where our holes are. That being the case, it'd be a bit of a waste to spend both prospects AND money when he can just go get a C, 3B, LF, veteran starter/pen pieces with the available funds we'll have this winter. Short of getting someone like those guys, we're probably better off signing guys on shorter term deals this winter even if they were slight overpays.
 
clvclv said:
While I agree it wouldn't be surprising to see Coppy try to land a piece or two, I'm not sure anyone's actually been made "available" that we'd be all that interested in just yet. While Lucroy makes all the sense in the world, it'd be kinda foolish to get in on the bidding war that's swirling around him at this point given the options that will be available this winter (and other potential trade options that would be less expensive to acquire).

If a younger hitter like Myers or another potential cornerstone piece like Longoria were to be made available I'd expect him to pounce, but this winter's market does actually line up with where our holes are. That being the case, it'd be a bit of a waste to spend both prospects AND money when he can just go get a C, 3B, LF, veteran starter/pen pieces with the available funds we'll have this winter. Short of getting someone like those guys, we're probably better off signing guys on shorter term deals this winter even if they were slight overpays.
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I meant start buying at the deadline... meaning continue it during the off season. I am under the impression we can keep Julio and compete if we can have some luck in some trades and do some smart spending in FA... sure 2018/2019 is more likely, but we could have an outside chance at a WC spot if we were smart.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm wondering if we may start being buyers this deadline... been weirdly quiet lately.
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I think we could be, especially if it means taking on a salary. I think the line in the sand of buyer/seller is going to start to fade a little but across baseball. If two "rebuilding teams" could swap players right now that will help their ultimate goal, then do it. Saving money has always been an issue in the 2nd half for losing teams, but with more teams operating off of a set payroll saving that money doesn't always help the team.
 
Enscheff said:
The PED issues, the recent injury issues, his age, his no trade clause (he might force the acquiring team to pick up his option before he accepts the trade), and the fact he is currently declining gives him a negative trade value. He is certainly not be negative enough to cancel Lucroy's value, but he is definitely not a trade asset. The Brewers will have to eat some money to get anything of note in return.
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Over thinking it. He can still rake. The Brewers will get something more than Tyrell Jenkins when they trade him.
 
Southcack77 said:
Over thinking it. He can still rake. The Brewers will get something more than Tyrell Jenkins when they trade him.
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Not really. Braun's "value" is directly tied to the amount of money they're willing to eat. They could easily "buy" a better prospect like the Braves did with Touki. The Braves ate $9.5 million of an expiring contract to get Toussaint. I'd imagine Milwaukee could hope for a similar return IF they're willing to eat $40+ million worth of what's left on Braun's deal. The question is, who has that need enough to cut loose of a Top 100 prospect? Not many teams.

He'd be a "fit" here, but would you rather have Braun for 4 years and $40 million or Cespedes for 4 years and $100 million PLUS Touki or Allard given the fact that we can easily afford that type of outlay (whether they choose to play in the deep end of the pool or not, they CAN afford to)? Money isn't going to be an issue for the Braves for some time - buying down contracts in our situation is more or less useless.
 
From Rosenthal this morning . . .
*The Astros are looking for a left-handed reliever, and they've touched base with the Braves about Hunter Cervenka as a possible fallback option, sources said.
The Braves, who continue to insist that they will hold right-hander Julio Teheran, are drawing interest in controllable pieces such as Cervenka and fellow left-handed relievers Ian Krol and Dario Alvarez, plus right-handed starter Lucas Harrell.
Other Braves who could be on the move: Potential free agents such as infielder Gordon Beckham and outfielder Jeff Francouer and right-handed reliever Jim Johnson.
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http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...le-deadline-trade-rumors-ken-rosenthal-072216
 
Krol is the guy I would trade of our 3 controllable lefties. He'll be out of options next Spring. Chris Withrow is in the same boat, so I'd be interested in gauging his market too.
 
clvclv said:
That being the case, it'd be a bit of a waste to spend both prospects AND money when he can just go get a C, 3B, LF, veteran starter/pen pieces with the available funds we'll have this winter. Short of getting someone like those guys, we're probably better off signing guys on shorter term deals this winter even if they were slight overpays.
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I agree that we should spend money rather than money and prospects to fill our holes. This means signing a couple free agents. But we could also get some players on contracts that teams are willing to move. Kemp for example would cost money (his salary) but not much in the way of prospects. I'd also be open to trading someone like Markakis to fill needs at other positions. Markakis for McCann for example might work, though I suspect we'd have to send a second tier prospect to even things out.
 
Braun and Kemp are the 2 guys that I'd look into this offseason. One of them would slot in nicely behind Freeman.
 
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