Olivera traded for Kemp
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dak
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Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking. The Padres will simply pass through the LAD monthly payments (or have the Dodgers simply wire it to a different account now).
I honestly don't know how this usually works, but I'm pretty sure one team always sends money to the other team rather than actually cutting the player a check. That's why the commissioner's office has to approve any trade where more than $1m is exchanged between teams.
I would be shocked if the Dodgers share of the cash isn't going to the Braves.
I woukd have DFA and used the 8-12 million on a younger player that would be with us when we have a chance to contend.
We are taking on additional dollars for a 30+ year old 1 WAR player. (Hopefully higher)
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Seems like a great deal for the Braves. I bet Olivera makes a career for himself somewhere else but it wasnt going to happen here for whatever reason. Kemp is a legit power bat. Has been on a tear since the All Star break. And he has hit much better on the road. If we can dump Markakis I am all for it but theres not much point in dumping salary if theres no quality players to spend it on. Might not be the worst idea to keep all 4 and let injuries and performance sort things out. I wouldnt bet on all 4 being healthy at the same time for more than 25% of the season.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
yup...we are paying the going rate for about 1 win per year....not great not bad given Kemp's recent track record...looking at Kemp's peripherals, especially his BABIP this year, Im optimistic he'll do a little better going forward than he has so far this year. Having two guys with good range at the other outfield spots would also mitigate his defensive shortcomings. i give the trade a thumbs up.
dak
Well-known member
Agreed, that's also my understanding of how it works.
Yeah i would guess the Dodgers pay Pads and Pads pay us 10-12 million. Thus we are double counting the savings.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Where is your proof?
If the Braes are simply getting the money the Dodgers were sending then the Braves owe Kemp 54 million over the next 3 years or 18 million.
The way I look at it, this deal is a perfectly acceptable move to improve our team in the short run.
1) Yes, we aren't actually paying Kemp $5 million a year, however accepting that Olivera's money was a sunk cost does in fact leave us with about $5 million a year in extra cost to add Kemp to the roster while giving up no assets in return. If we had cut Olivera this year, then signed Kemp for a 3 for $15 million deal, I'd find it perfectly defensible. 2 years ago the expected $ value per 1 WAR was $6 million. Even without adjusting for inflation of that number in two years, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect Kemp to average around 1 WAR per year.
2) Kemp might be a little more valuable than he seems on paper. If you exclude his awful May performance, he's averaged about a 135 wRC+ this year. I'll take that any day from the RF spot. If we can team him up with Mallex and Inciarte in the short term to mitigate his defensive limitations, he might be an actual useful piece for us. No, he won't be worth his contract, but again we have to look at Olivera's deal as a sunk cost.
Edit: nsacpi pretty much beat me to my entire point in far fewer words.
1) Yes, we aren't actually paying Kemp $5 million a year, however accepting that Olivera's money was a sunk cost does in fact leave us with about $5 million a year in extra cost to add Kemp to the roster while giving up no assets in return. If we had cut Olivera this year, then signed Kemp for a 3 for $15 million deal, I'd find it perfectly defensible. 2 years ago the expected $ value per 1 WAR was $6 million. Even without adjusting for inflation of that number in two years, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect Kemp to average around 1 WAR per year.
2) Kemp might be a little more valuable than he seems on paper. If you exclude his awful May performance, he's averaged about a 135 wRC+ this year. I'll take that any day from the RF spot. If we can team him up with Mallex and Inciarte in the short term to mitigate his defensive limitations, he might be an actual useful piece for us. No, he won't be worth his contract, but again we have to look at Olivera's deal as a sunk cost.
Edit: nsacpi pretty much beat me to my entire point in far fewer words.
I could see it happening either way, but I hope you're right. We will find out soon enough.
Where is yours? I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise other than speculation by a couple of people on this board.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
It's really the difference between good and meh. I don't see the Braves contending next year anyways and it does clear all of HO's salary in 2020.
According to MLBTR:
"San Diego, then, would be saving anywhere from $13.5MM to $15.5MM over the duration of the 2017-19 seasons. They’ll also save about $5MM on the remainder of Kemp’s 2016 salary. The Braves, who have a very minimal amount of commitments on their long-term ledger, can effectively look at this as an opportunity to acquire Kemp on a three-year deal worth $13.5MM to $15.5MM."
So if they are right, the Braves are getting Kemp for $18.5m-$20.5m.
"San Diego, then, would be saving anywhere from $13.5MM to $15.5MM over the duration of the 2017-19 seasons. They’ll also save about $5MM on the remainder of Kemp’s 2016 salary. The Braves, who have a very minimal amount of commitments on their long-term ledger, can effectively look at this as an opportunity to acquire Kemp on a three-year deal worth $13.5MM to $15.5MM."
So if they are right, the Braves are getting Kemp for $18.5m-$20.5m.
dak
Well-known member
Yes. Unless some new info comes to light, it's looks to be a poor valuation by Coppy and team.
Coach_Chris
Arizona Fall Leaguer
Because he beat his wife.