A case for keeping Markakis and adding Puig

Enscheff said:
Actually I have been defending Markakis more than almost anyone on these boards. You will not be able to find a single post where I said he needs to be dumped at any cost like most of the mouth breather around here are blabbering about. I understand his OBP skills are still moderately valuable. My criticism has been centered around his power never coming back, which isn't the same as saying him hitting the ball harder will increase his wOBA (it will in part though).

Sorry for questioning such a gifted thinker though. We all know how many brainiacs populate the real estate industry and government bodies! All the super smart people I met in college went on to become engineers, lawyers, doctors, scientists, and realtors.
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Realtors?
 
Quick question on the claiming rules.

If Puig were to be put on waivers, and the Braves then claimed him, would we still have the #1 claiming option because of our record or would we move to the end of the waiver standings?
 
Spanky Westside said:
Quick question on the claiming rules.

If Puig were to be put on waivers, and the Braves then claimed him, would we still have the #1 claiming option because of our record or would we move to the end of the waiver standings?
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As far as I know it's player specific so the Braves would have the #1 chance at any player in the NL
 
gilesfan said:
I cannot trust that when the teams signs AJ. Even Matt Kemp (maybe just in the past) wasn't perceived as the best teammate.
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Right or not the Braves have a history of Cubans (Yunel and HO) who didn't behave the way that is the Braves way. Both were shipped out. One could actually play and the other never really has. I doubt they have any desire to get Puig. There is a reason no team traded for him at the deadline.
 
gilesfan said:
What does it matter what nationality they are? Are the Braves going to forego the Cuban market?

HO is gone primarily because he sucks. The arrest just gave them more of an incentive to get rid of him.
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I would forego it for the most part. The Cubans tend to be overrated, overpaid, and most of the ones who have success seem to decline rapidly. Other than Cespedes, I can't really think of another Cuban position player that sustained success in the majors. And there have been a ton of them that were hyped.

The pitchers have had a better success rate.
 
smootness said:
I would forego it for the most part. The Cubans tend to be overrated, overpaid, and most of the ones who have success seem to decline rapidly. Other than Cespedes, I can't really think of another Cuban position player that sustained success in the majors. And there have been a ton of them that were hyped.

The pitchers have had a better success rate.
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Jose Abreu, Escobar, Grandal, Hechavarria, Martin, Morales, Ramirez have all be productive major league players. Many other young guys have shown potential as well. Puig has previously played well and certainly has the talent to do so. Even if you are just acquiring him to build up his value, it makes a ton of sense. Most Cubans also don't come up at age 21, they come up at a later age and thus cant have sustained success.

I don't understand the desire to acquire expensive vets on the downside of their career instead of taking chances on guys that can actually increase their value. Puig would be a no lose situation because we aren't spending anything to acquire him. Whereas, we are willing to play Kemp whatever millions on the downside of his career on a team that wont compete.
 
smootness said:
I would forego it for the most part. The Cubans tend to be overrated, overpaid, and most of the ones who have success seem to decline rapidly. Other than Cespedes, I can't really think of another Cuban position player that sustained success in the majors. And there have been a ton of them that were hyped.

The pitchers have had a better success rate.
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Kendry Morales would be one. His decline was due to a knee injury and he got back his groove after sucking it up a couple of years. Abreu has declined every year so far, but could possible turn it around this year. Chapman has had great success, but also a DV issue and suspension. Two of the 3 players suspended so far have been Cuban. That's not enough to make a strong case against them for behavioral issues, but it shows immaturity and a warped sense of entitlement to beat a woman for sport. Others have had success but not what was expected or forecasted.
 
gilesfan said:
Jose Abreu, Escobar, Grandal, Hechavarria, Martin, Morales, Ramirez have all be productive major league players. Many other young guys have shown potential as well. Puig has previously played well and certainly has the talent to do so. Even if you are just acquiring him to build up his value, it makes a ton of sense. Most Cubans also don't come up at age 21, they come up at a later age and thus cant have sustained success.

I don't understand the desire to acquire expensive vets on the downside of their career instead of taking chances on guys that can actually increase their value. Puig would be a no lose situation because we aren't spending anything to acquire him. Whereas, we are willing to play Kemp whatever millions on the downside of his career on a team that wont compete.
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The Pads gave Kemp away. The Dodgers aren't going to just give Puig away.
 
Albies 2B

Inciarte CF

Freeman 1B

Kemp LF

Ramos C

Swanson SS

Puig RF

Peterson 3B

Pitcher

That is a really solid lineup. Obviously that's add two players that there's no guarantee with. But we'd compete.

You can always switch guys up, like with Mallex, but I'm just saying.
 
Bringing Puig into the clubhouse and expecting that his cancerous attitude will not rub off on the young players on this team is like having sex with someone that has herpes and expecting to not get it.

Character and make up matters.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Albies 2B
Inciarte CF
Freeman 1B
Kemp LF
Ramos C
Swanson SS
Puig RF
Peterson 3B
Pitcher

That is a really solid lineup. Obviously that's add two players that there's no guarantee with. But we'd compete.

You can always switch guys up, like with Mallex, but I'm just saying.
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We'd hav to do something with the top of that order and Swanson should not be batting 6th, but it would at least be a respectable offense.
 
KB21 said:
Bringing Puig into the clubhouse and expecting that his cancerous attitude will not rub off on the young players on this team is like having sex with someone that has herpes and expecting to not get it.

Character and make up matters.
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Its an excuse when teams lose. It doesn't matter when teams win.
 
gilesfan said:
They gave Kemp away because of his salary. From all reports, the Dodgers are interested in giving Puig away.
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Define "give away." Trading Kemp for HO is as close to giving away as you can get. You're not gonna get Puig for a non-prospect.
 
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