2016-2017 Off-Season Thread

Chico said:
I'm not really advocating going after anyone as it's all relative to the package required. However, I'm not a fan of the terms like "go for it" "gut the farm system". I don't think it's that cut and dry. You should always be looking to deal from an area of surplus for an area of need.

If we had 3 pitchers who could anchor our rotation for the next 3 years that would allow us a lot of flexibility. We could cherry pick the arms coming up since we'd only need 2 spots to fill (maybe even one if you're ok with a swingman or reclomation project vet as the #5) and you'd be able to trade the rest for hitting. In 2-3 years when the meat of our SP prospect depth is ready we'd be able to trade away guys like Julio/Folty/acquired young starter for prospects to replenish your depth. Tampa Bay has mastered this and that's with no budget.

We're also going to continue to draft more pitching and make trades like flipping Colon and Dickey in July for even more young pitching.

Once again, I'm not advocating anything without knowing the details, but I don't agree with the sentiment that you stop building the farm when you start trying to win. It takes a little more outside of the box thinking and more work like trading hitting for pitching and then trading pitching for hitting, but it can be done. I like how Coppy said "We're buying and selling". That's a stockbroker attitude and that's essentially what this is in it's simplest terms.
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Here's my take. The game has changed a lot in the 30 years the last time the Braves did a tear down/rebuild, but they had the main pieces in place (Glavine, Smoltz, Gant, Justice), a nice set of supplemental pieces (Blauser, Lemke, P. Smith, L. Smith, Mercker), and a bunch of guys in the pipeline (Jones, Klesko, Lopez, Avery, Hunter, Mitchell) before putting on the finishing touches. I just don't think we are quite there yet. Remember it took the Cubs six years of sub-.500 baseball to assemble the juggernaut they are currently.
 
50PoundHead said:
Here's my take. The game has changed a lot in the 30 years the last time the Braves did a tear down/rebuild, but they had the main pieces in place (Glavine, Smoltz, Gant, Justice), a nice set of supplemental pieces (Blauser, Lemke, P. Smith, L. Smith, Mercker), and a bunch of guys in the pipeline (Jones, Klesko, Lopez, Avery, Hunter, Mitchell) before putting on the finishing touches. I just don't think we are quite there yet. Remember it took the Cubs six years of sub-.500 baseball to assemble the juggernaut they are currently.
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I get that, but what I'm saying is there can be a revised approach of buying and selling. You can accumulate the assets and depth to be able to do so. It just takes a little more work. The old school way of punting or going for it all isn't the only approach.
 
McCann to the Astros for 2 RHPs: Albert Abreu and Jorge Guzman. Abreu a Top 10, Guzman not ranked.

Wonder what the money looks like.
 
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Yankees paying 5.5 per year, Astros basically get him for 11.5 a year, not bad.
 
Huge mistake by the Braves. Can't believe Coppy just sat on his hands.

We needed a good catcher in the short term and McCann was the perfect ticket to fill that spot.
 
Hawk said:
Agreed.

Interesting that the Braves chose not to match.
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I havent seen enough of Mac to know if hes still good or not.

Not sure prospects wise, what it would cost to get him from the Braves POV>
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Huge mistake by the Braves. Can't believe Coppy just sat on his hands.

We needed a good catcher in the short term and McCann was the perfect ticket to fill that spot.
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The equivalent to the guy the Astros gave up is Touki.

Mac has an option year for $15M that is almost certainly going to automatically vest, so they really got Mac at 3/38.

You would be happy to see the Braves give up Touki plus another lower level arm to get Mac at 3/38 without the ability to DH him?
 
Enscheff said:
The equivalent to the guy the Astros gave up is Touki.

Mac has an option year for $15M that is almost certainly going to automatically vest, so they really got Mac at 3/38.

You would be happy to see the Braves give up Touki plus another lower level arm to get Mac at 3/38 without the ability to DH him?
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probably not...but we have to see where Castro signs and for how much
 
Enscheff said:
The equivalent to the guy the Astros gave up is Touki.

Mac has an option year for $15M that is almost certainly going to automatically vest, so they really got Mac at 3/38.

You would be happy to see the Braves give up Touki plus another lower level arm to get Mac at 3/38 without the ability to DH him?
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He hasn't posted a real opinion in 18 months. Pretty sure he means the opposite.
 
Enscheff said:
The equivalent to the guy the Astros gave up is Touki.

Mac has an option year for $15M that is almost certainly going to automatically vest, so they really got Mac at 3/38.

You would be happy to see the Braves give up Touki plus another lower level arm to get Mac at 3/38 without the ability to DH him?
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This is not a terrible move by the Astros, but I'm glad is was them and not us at this price. I don't see the package they gave up being as valuable as Touki, but maybe I'm overvaluing him. Since he figures to get a decent number of DH at bats, I do think the Astros will be risking that 2019 option vesting unless McCann gets hurt at some point.
 
dak said:
This is not a terrible move by the Astros, but I'm glad is was them and not us at this price. I don't see the package they gave up being as valuable as Touki, but maybe I'm overvaluing him. Since he figures to get a decent number of DH at bats, I do think the Astros will be risking that 2019 option vesting unless McCann gets hurt at some point.
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I only say they are equivalent due to this:

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=atl

Compared to this:

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=nyy

Both guys rank #10 in very good systems, carry an FV of 50, and here is the money quote on Abreu:

"Though his control and command need polish, he has the upside to pitch in the front half of a big league rotation."

Sounds like a dead ringer for Touki to me.
 
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