Overreach

thethe said:
For real. I worry for our future that so many of our youth actually think that socialism/communism is a better way to live than what we currently are living under.
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But you don't seem overly concerned with the anti-globalism, inward turning, economic populism of the Trump's GOP (not to derail the thread...)
 
acesfull86 said:
But you don't seem overly concerned with the anti-globalism, inward turning, economic populism of the Trump's GOP (not to derail the thread...)
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Globalism stopped working for the American people a long time ago. The world is too large to support everyone. I'm concerned with the well being of this nation. There are lots of countries that make it impossible to compete and therefore destroy the basis of capitalism. I have similar thoughts about places like Walmart or the large investment houses.
 
thethe said:
For real. I worry for our future that so many of our youth actually think that socialism/communism is a better way to live than what we currently are living under.
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You've answered this question with one of your subsequent responses. Youth sees inequality growing and the fact that indications are they are not going to do better than previous generations in terms of economic standing has a large number of them turning in a different direction. This isn't rocket science. There is a lot of economic insecurity and when that happens, the creditors and the debtors will go to opposite corners and pull on the rope in their direction.
 
sturg33 said:
Well you're a completely reasonable person. Most on your side simply aren't.

I watched the left applaud the cast of Hamilton when they wanted to dress down Pence. He should have just been able to enjoy the show like everyone else, right?

And as Bedell mentioned, different rules for the left. I really feel most badly for Melania in all this... She has been eviscerated from the tolerant left just because she happens to be in the middle.
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I just tire of all the faux outrage coming from all quarters of the populace. People need to get over themselves. From my perspective right now, I think the left comes off as a set of overweeningly whiny school marms and the right comes across as a bunch of concrete/sequential bullies. I've had the luxury of working with a broad range of people with a broad range of political perspectives. I don't like a number of people I personally agree with and enjoy the company of a number of people I disagree with. I'm not special by any means, but I think the goal is to keep the car on the road while listening to, but not necessarily agreeing with, the passengers in the car.

The kerfuffle incited by the fashion industry against Melania is just about the most infantile thing I have ever seen.

As for the cast of Hamilton, they can do what they like, but do they understand that Hamilton's political legacy is quite conservative. He was Wall Street before there was Wall Street. I think Miranda's work is monumental, but I think given the multicultural nature of the cast, a lot of folks who don't know that much about American history are viewing Hamilton as more Martin Luther King, Jr., than what he truly was.

Speaking of Hamilton, Lapham's Quarterly has an interesting special issue out devoted to Hamilton. It contains a lot of snippets, some from Hamilton's contemporaries and others by historians, that provide interesting observations on Hamilton.

Link: http://store.laphamsquarterly.us/merchandise/hamilton

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a nice mix of socialism and capitalism should be what this country should be doing

this love affair of "Capitalism" (which we really aren't) and hate of "Socialism" (that we have very small parts of) is funny

but if we actually built a mix of the 2, it would benefit everyone in this country
 
thethe said:
What precedence exists that shows this would be better for the people? You are fighting for something that is significantly worse than the system we currently live under.
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I obviously don't believe, and would contest, that claim.
 
sturg33 said:
I can't find it, but I recently posted here how some colleges are teaching their kids to ask for proper introductions of what gender they are speaking with.

It's gone so far off the deep end that it's almost impossible to defend.
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This is true. My wife is in a PhD program at UC Davis (a city Rush Davis to this day refers to as Moscow) and she's afraid to make gender a binary variable in her models because she's been inundated with "gender is a spectrum". Keep in mind my wife is the least political person I know, so she's not frustrated at all, only scared to offend.

In a way I would characterize the current social environment as "scared to offend". Phil Jackson is being eviscerated right now because he said "posse", which makes him an automatic racist.
 
chop2chip said:
This is true. My wife is in a PhD program at UC Davis (a city Rush Davis to this day refers to as Moscow) and she's afraid to make gender a binary variable in her models because she's been inundated with "gender is a spectrum". Keep in mind my wife is the least political person I know, so she's not frustrated at all, only scared to offend.

In a way I would characterize the current social environment as "scared to offend". Phil Jackson is being eviscerated right now because he said "posse", which makes him an automatic racist.
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What has happened to Jackson is a perfect illustration of the absurdity of the left.
 
thethe said:
What else can 'seizing the means of production' characterized as?
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I thought I made it clear, in a couple different posts up-thread, that I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I inserted that phrase into the discussion. I am in favor of much more socialism blended into our institutional politics than is currently, but—as I mentioned in this thread, and as I have previously—I do not advocate for the violent seizure of the means of production.

My personal politics notwithstanding, communism is not equivalent to socialism—and even communism has a lot of ideological shades, most of which have never been put in practice. For instance, many Marxists would not consider the economic structure of the Soviet Union to be true communism.
 
BedellBrave said:
Pretty Much This
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Babies, bathwater, etc.

One can make all kinds of valid criticisms of the Democratic establishment and their follies, but excusing a vote for cupidity on an massive, perhaps unprecedented, scale in defense of a perceived threat to religious liberty seems pretty weak to me. I imagine that the election of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief will make the world safer for straights-only bakeries and people who think that traditional gender clarifications in our nations' bathrooms is a pressing concern. GG, guys. I hope that the right to discriminate against out-groups provides accessible heath care, affordable education, and old-age insurance for the next couple of generations.
 
If forcing Christian bakers to serve gay weddings isn't such a big deal, if allowing men to use the women's locker room isn't such a big deal, then perhaps the Left shouldn't have made such a big deal out of it. Everyone had access to cakes and showers, this was just SJWs going too far and creating a backlash.
 
Jaw said:
If forcing Christian bakers to serve gay weddings isn't such a big deal, if allowing men to use the women's locker room isn't such a big deal, then perhaps the Left shouldn't have made such a big deal out of it. Everyone had access to cakes and showers, this was just SJWs going too far and creating a backlash.
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:facepalm:
 
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