GDT 4/5 - Colon @ deGrom

thewupk said:
In 2016 a CF had 0.61 more chances per game than a LF. .18 more chances than a RF. They do have more chances. It's why generally put your best defensive OF there and why they get a positional bonus for playing there.
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Funny.. I would have thought the chances would be closer between RF and LF. The majority of hitters are Righties, so you would think pull tendencies would produce more plays to LF. Maybe LHH are more pull happy than RHH.. Seems that defensive shifts happen more against Lefties..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Funny.. I would have thought the chances would be closer between RF and LF. The majority of hitters are Righties, so you would think pull tendencies would produce more plays to LF. Maybe LHH are more pull happy than RHH.. Seems that defensive shifts happen more against Lefties..
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Lefties pull the ball way more often than righties. It's why teams shift on the lefties that are even more prone than normal.
 
thewupk said:
Ender in LF would be just as valuable as Ender would be in CF. That's the whole point of the stat. To be able to compare across positions.
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I get what you're saying, but I have to disagree a bit. In CF, he gives two OFs a bit of a break when it comes to positioning. In LF, he would only allow the CF to shade significantly.
 
50PoundHead said:
I get what you're saying, but I have to disagree a bit. In CF, he gives two OFs a bit of a break when it comes to positioning. In LF, he would only allow the CF to shade significantly.
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If the left fielder allows the CF to cover less ground and also shade to right (allowing the right fielder to cover less ground), isn't there an effect on two outfielders.
 
50PoundHead said:
I get what you're saying, but I have to disagree a bit. In CF, he gives two OFs a bit of a break when it comes to positioning. In LF, he would only allow the CF to shade significantly.
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I would agree with this. I'm more speaking with how WAR is calculated. I've long said Andruw (for example) is even better than his defensive stats say because, imo, he made his outfield mates better. But that doesn't show up in his personal numbers.

More to this is the improvement in defensive numbers that Nick saw last year. He posted his best season in 8 years according to DRS. I don't think it's a coincidence it happened after Ender came here.

It's also why I look at OF numbers as a whole. IMO that paints a better overall picture.

Hopefully what statcast is doing gives us a better understanding of individual talent.
 
nsacpi said:
the shift against righties is constrained by the need to play someone fairly close to first
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I was basing my assumption on thewupk post showing that RF gets more chances over LF. That tells me that LHH are more prone to pull vs RHH.. assuming that there is more RHH in the game being a true statement.
 
nsacpi said:
the shift against righties is constrained by the need to play someone fairly close to first
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Yeah, it's not really true that LHH pull the ball more.

ETA: Nevermind, I was basing that on somewhat old data. Interestingly, in 2014 the %s for pull/oppo/up the middle were virtually identical between LHH and RHH. But each of the last two years, LHH have pulled the ball a good bit more.
 
smootness said:
I was wrong in regard to 2015 and 2016.
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I'm not bored enough to keep going back to see if 2014 was the blip in the radar or that 2015 and 2016 are. But we are seeing more shifts each year for lefties. That either tells us that lefties are pulling the ball more than they used to, teams are finally listening to the data, or a combination of both.
 
thewupk said:
I'm not bored enough to keep going back to see if 2014 was the blip in the radar or that 2015 and 2016 are. But we are seeing more shifts each year for lefties. That either tells us that lefties are pulling the ball more than they used to, teams are finally listening to the data, or a combination of both.
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I honestly don't know, either. Looking back to 2012, RF do consistently get more chances than LF, but the biggest gap was 2016.

Looking at 2015 and 2016, it's probably true that LHH tend to pull more often than RHH on average, but the fact that you see so many more big shifts against LHH than RHH is still pretty heavily influenced by the location of 1B.
 
smootness said:
I honestly don't know, either. Looking back to 2012, RF do consistently get more chances than LF, but the biggest gap was 2016.

Looking at 2015 and 2016, it's probably true that LHH tend to pull more often than RHH on average, but the fact that you see so many more big shifts against LHH than RHH is still pretty heavily influenced by the location of 1B.
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I agree with this.. what I need to know is how can we bore TheWupk enough to do our research for us.
 
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