Gattis tearing it up at AAA

thethe said:
Sure is working for Kaepernick.

Seriously though, I can't believe someone who has as much baseball experience as you can really believe that getting limited AB's will negatively impact the production of a player with such limited experience facing advanced pitchers. His swings looked great last night.
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Limited at bats can also benefit players as well.

You act like Gattis is some special talent that is going to take over baseball. It's simply not true. He's a big strong guy with power that will swing at way too many pitches, but occasionally connect with a fastball.
 
gilesfan said:
Limited at bats can also benefit players as well.

You act like Gattis is some special talent that is going to take over baseball. It's simply not true. He's a big strong guy with power that will swing at way too many pitches, but occasionally connect with a fastball.
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No, I don't believe he is going to take over the sport but I think he is a guy that could hit 30-40 homers a year if he was given 600 AB's. He has serious power and average contact ability. For a man who swings as hard as he does he sure doesn't strikeout like you would expect him to. Once he learns to take something off his swing (like he did twice yesterday) I think he will bump that average up to the 260-270 ish range and produce massive power. If he does that from the catcher position you are talking about one of the most valueable commodities in baseball. But, the man needs everyday AB's. He needs to see pitches. You can't expect a man who had 1/4 of a season in AA to come up to the major leagues and be effective with 8-10 AB's a week.
 
GF is by far the biggest tool on this board.

I've never heard him dog Nats or Skins players like he does Braves players
 
sturg33 said:
GF is by far the biggest tool on this board.

I've never heard him dog Nats or Skins players like he does Braves players
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I'm completely shocked that I am not the biggest tool in your opinion. Today is now going to be a great day for me. Nothing but love for you Sturg!
 
Bc of his age, his window for being a major league contributor is tiny. Spending time developing in the minors is almost pointless. But, they were forced to bc of his performance the last 3 months.
 
gilesfan said:
Bc of his age, his window for being a major league contributor is tiny. Spending time developing in the minors is almost pointless. But, they were forced to bc of his performance the last 3 months.
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This has been your problem from the beginning with Gattis. You fail to understand the surrounding circumstances why he made the majors at 26. If this guy didn't go AWOL he would have been in the majors at 22/23. He is a legit major leaguer and is probably in terms of power a top 20 player. His power/contact ability is rare and will continue to develop. Even at his age he could be a legit major leaguer for another 7-8 years. Braves will love every minute of it.
 
sturg33 said:
GF is by far the biggest tool on this board.

I've never heard him dog Nats or Skins players like he does Braves players
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Why would i talk about the Redskins on a Braves message board?

The only time I talk about the nats is when Heyward or Dunit say something dumb.

At least the feeling is mutual, tin foil.
 
thethe said:
This has been your problem from the beginning with Gattis. You fail to understand the surrounding circumstances why he made the majors at 26. If this guy didn't go AWOL he would have been in the majors at 22/23. He is a legit major leaguer and is probably in terms of power a top 20 player. His power/contact ability is rare and will continue to develop. Even at his age he could be a legit major leaguer for another 7-8 years. Braves will love every minute of it.
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I fully understand his circumstances, it is repeated over and over and over again. Saying he'd be in the majors at 22/23 is a big stretch.

Gattis contact rate is 77% and is K rate is over 20%, how rare is that?

Players like Nate Shierholtz, Pedro Alvarez, and Marlon Byrd are well over .200 in isoSlug, that doesn't make them great players.

You expect a guy like him with bat speed as his primary attribute to be a productive player into his mid 30s?
 
gilesfan said:
Players like Nate Shierholtz, Pedro Alvarez, and Marlon Byrd are well over .200 in isoSlug, that doesn't make them great players.
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They would be considered outstanding players if they could do it every year. Alvarez has done it several times, but he also consistently K's over 30% of the time and is a liability in the field. Even with all that, he's a valuable (though not great) player. If he were a decent fielder and K'ed a bit less he'd be considered a great player. I would take a Pedro Alvarez with a 20-25% K rate any day over Chris Johnson.
 
gilesfan said:
I fully understand his circumstances, it is repeated over and over and over again. Saying he'd be in the majors at 22/23 is a big stretch.

Gattis contact rate is 77% and is K rate is over 20%, how rare is that?

Players like Nate Shierholtz, Pedro Alvarez, and Marlon Byrd are well over .200 in isoSlug, that doesn't make them great players.

You expect a guy like him with bat speed as his primary attribute to be a productive player into his mid 30s?
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Yes I do considering how strong Gattis is. Whether its artificial or not he will remain strong his whole life. In terms of his baseball life I think that will last until his mid 30's at a high rate.
 
You guys talking about Gattis being to old, wasnt David Ortiz like 28 before he was really good at the ML level? Same with Nelson Cruz, and Ryan Howard?
 
nsacpi said:
They would be considered outstanding players if they could do it every year. Alvarez has done it several times, but he also consistently K's over 30% of the time and is a liability in the field. Even with all that, he's a valuable (though not great) player. If he were a decent fielder and K'ed a bit less he'd be considered a great player. I would take a Pedro Alvarez with a 20-25% K rate any day over Chris Johnson.
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Yeah, if.
 
thethe said:
Yes I do considering how strong Gattis is. Whether its artificial or not he will remain strong his whole life. In terms of his baseball life I think that will last until his mid 30's at a high rate.
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Strength =/= bat speed
 
BlackwaterPark said:
You guys talking about Gattis being to old, wasnt David Ortiz like 28 before he was really good at the ML level? Same with Nelson Cruz, and Ryan Howard?
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Howard was called up at 24, but his first full season was 26. He had 4 really good years before it all went downhill.
 
Before his career is over I think Gattis will have a couple seasons where he puts up an OPS north .900. Might be with us, might be with another team. He should also have a couple seasons with over 40 HR's. It might be hard for him to get a season with us where he accumulates the counting stats to do that. But even if he stays a Brave, I could see a year where injuries open up enough playing time for him to do that. I bet some American League team makes us a good offer for him this off-season or next.
 
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