Garcia being traded to Twins

Enscheff said:
Lol. The Braves have more choices of similarly valuable prospects now, but they are all still equally valuable.

Garcias value has not changed.
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But his demand increased and supply remained the same?

How would you define a contenders premium since you have used that term on multiple occasions.
 
IslandBrave said:
So his value isn't increased AT ALL by 8 teams wanting him now instead of 1?
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It was actually 6, now it's 8.

But im still not sure we'll get a great prospect, if package 2 or so players with Garcia, thats another story.
 
Value is not a static thing. It's what someone is willing to pay. Has Garcia's ability and player value increased in the last couple starts? Of course not. Has his market value increased? Possibly. It is possible that at least one team is willing to pay more for him now than they were a week ago. Will it be a tangible increase in return? Probably not.

But there are reports that more teams are in on him and that his market value has gone up a bit. The more teams that bid, the better chance you get a better return.

Garcia's not bringing back a top 100 prospect or anything. But Lucas Harrell brought back Travis Demeritte. Why? Is his value equal to Demeritte's? No. But a team paid it.
 
Enscheff said:
There are several folks in this discussion, Bitch at them too if you're going to bitch at me.
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Id rather not bitch at anyone.

If you're gonna debate debate. Keep it civil. Throw out the unproductive condescension. Relay that stuff through personal PM's which you discovered a few weeks ago existed.
 
thethe said:
But his demand increased and supply remained the same?

How would you define a contenders premium since you have used that term on multiple occasions.
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Stop skirting the question. You think his value has increased.

I say his value is/was/will be a FV 40 guy if the Braves eat no money, or a FV 45 guy if they eat it all.

You think it's now more than that.

So tell us how much more. We don't need to discuss anything else.

Very simple.
 
smootness said:
Value is not a static thing. It's what someone is willing to pay. Has Garcia's ability and player value increased in the last couple starts? Of course not. Has his market value increased? Possibly. It is possible that at least one team is willing to pay more for him now than they were a week ago. Will it be a tangible increase in return? Probably not.

But there are reports that more teams are in on him and that his market value has gone up a bit. The more teams that bid, the better chance you get a better return.

Garcia's not bringing back a top 100 prospect or anything. But Lucas Harrell brought back Travis Demeritte. Why? Is his value equal to Demeritte's? No. But a team paid it.
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Demeritte is awful but this post is not.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Id rather not bitch at anyone.

If you're gonna debate debate. Keep it civil. Throw out the unproductive condescension. Relay that stuff through personal PM's which you discovered a few weeks ago existed.
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Want me to go quote the "mean" things that were said to me in the last 15 minutes?

Go bitch at them too. Or ban me. But stop singling me out.
 
Enscheff said:
Stop skirting the question. You think his value has increased.

I say his value is/was/will be a FV 40 guy if the Braves eat no money, or a FV 45 guy if they eat it all.

You think it's now more than that.

So tell us how much more. We don't need to discuss anything else.

Very simple.
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I was never engaged in that conversation. I'm having a separate discussion with you that you are deliberately ignoring.

Now again...how would define a contenders premium?
 
And there is only one Jaime Garcia on the market. So you may view him equal to all the other middling pitchers available. But there may be a GM who identifies Garcia as the guy he wants. If so, there's only one of him he can get.

GMs are people. People who think differently, have different opinions, and so forth.
 
smootness said:
Value is not a static thing. It's what someone is willing to pay. Has Garcia's ability and player value increased in the last couple starts? Of course not. Has his market value increased? Possibly. It is possible that at least one team is willing to pay more for him now than they were a week ago. Will it be a tangible increase in return? Probably not.

But there are reports that more teams are in on him and that his market value has gone up a bit. The more teams that bid, the better chance you get a better return.

Garcia's not bringing back a top 100 prospect or anything. But Lucas Harrell brought back Travis Demeritte. Why? Is his value equal to Demeritte's? No. But a team paid it.
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I highly doubt any team thinks he is a better pitcher now than he was 2 starts ago. No team in the game is dumb enough to allow a handful of innings form their judgment like that.

However, I do know for a fact that Garcia will now be making 2 fewer starts for his new team, and those starts have quantifiable value.

If there are more teams willing to offer a FV 40 prospect now, great. But Garcia's value is still a FV 40 prospect.
 
Enscheff said:
Want me to go quote the "mean" things that were said to me in the last 15 minutes?

Go bitch at them too. Or ban me. But stop singling me out.
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Look you're one of the more informative and substantive posters on here.

If you're being goaded why are you taking the bait? I thought you've put 50% of the board already on ignore
 
Enscheff said:
I highly doubt any team thinks he is a better pitcher now than he was 2 starts ago. No team in the game is dumb enough to allow a handful of innings form their judgment like that.

However, I do know for a fact that Garcia will now be making 2 fewer starts for his new team, and those starts have quantifiable value.

If there are more teams willing to offer a FV 40 prospect now, great. But Garcia's value is still a FV 40 prospect.
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So is Marco Gonzales. Didn't stop a team from paying more.

We've seen GMs zero in on a player and overpay before. You have a tendency to start with a basically correct opinion (Garcia's true value hasn't changed and he probably won't bring back much) and then become so rigid and belligerent that you end up being incorrect - we have absolutely no idea if there is a GM who is now willing to pay more for him than he was. It is actually possible.
 
I dont know what Garcia brings back but teams often get desperate at the deadline.

Not saying Garcia brings back Gleyber Torres or anything but GM's will overpay to secure someone if they have to. Especially around the deadline if they feel it's the missing piece to their club.
 
Heyward said:
I dont know what Garcia brings back but teams often get desperate at the deadline.

Not saying Garcia brings back Gleyber Torres or anything but GM's will overpay to secure someone if they have to. Especially around the deadline if they feel it's the missing piece to their club.
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Maybe we can get Brett Butler for him.
 
@jcrasnick
The #Brewers are considering both long-term and rental starters at trade deadline. #Braves Jaime Garcia among the names on their radar.
 
@JonHeyman
jaime garcia is drawing interest from about 6 teams now, including yanks. so it's wide open.
 
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