So you are saying that the agenda of the people who organized the march was to kill "mostly lefty socialists who were marching in protest of the racism, white supremacy and genocidal imagery (lol) of the gathering"?
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So you are saying that the agenda of the people who organized the march was to kill "mostly lefty socialists who were marching in protest of the racism, white supremacy and genocidal imagery (lol) of the gathering"?
They? You've got to be careful lumping these groups together.
So this was a racial thing?
Just a cautionary sidebar.
The slot for overzealous persecutor was already filled, with a waiting list.
What groups?
The pictures show a United coalition of Confederate and Nazi sympathizers. I'm pretty sure their ideals crossover on most issues. From what I've read the last few years, white supremacist groups are starting to merge into one instead of having so many different organizations.
I mean our President can big dick tweet about North Korea, offer condolences to police officers, but he can't just straight up say I don't want these voters or Nazis.
i can't believe some here can't reasonably see the whataboutism false equivalence.
nsacpi
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This will take us slightly off-topic, but one of the best books I've read in recent years is a biography of Stalin by Simon Sebag Montefiore (wish I had a name like that!). One of the things I got out of it was that although Stalin and the men who worked with him with were declared atheists, there was a quasi-religious fervor about their belief that they had seen the true light and had been annointed in some way to serve as the vanguard (sorry to sneak that word in) of their society. Radical Islamists are very similar in that regard. The similarity with neo-Nazis (at least its current incarnation in this country) is less strong. But some of it is there nonetheless.
nsacpi
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I'm curious, is it a distinction worth making which of these groups he is aligned with.
sturg33
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My views on this...
1. The nazi protesters are truly "Deplorables"
2. They have a right to peacefully protest, and should be allowed to do so without violence
3. Antifa makes things worse
4. Trump, the GOP, and the Left should all denounce the protesters and the nazi movement immediately and without ambiguity
1. The nazi protesters are truly "Deplorables"
2. They have a right to peacefully protest, and should be allowed to do so without violence
3. Antifa makes things worse
4. Trump, the GOP, and the Left should all denounce the protesters and the nazi movement immediately and without ambiguity
nsacpi
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I agree with you on the first three. But I think people who want to counter-demonstrate against the neo-Nazis should be praised (as long as they do so peacefully).
sturg33
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No argument from me...
Good on you.
While I don't agree with violence, the Nazi and Confederate Flags strike a serious chord of emotion for many. Certainly I don't think violence was needed but I also understand people lost family members to the war vs Nazi's and the Confederate Flag being a symbol for slavery and Jim Crow.
So yeah I didn't agree with violence but I can't say I'm surprised either. I mean the Nazi guys are the ones that brought riot gear and m16's to their "protest" "rally".
57Brave
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worse ?
They went there to counter and challenge people with swastika's,Nazi salutes and Confederate flags
intent on intimidating minorities both racial and religious
In our history those ideologies were met with war
This non sense has been legitimized since the 08 election - about time someone stood up to these bullies.
Having said that -- my guess is the counter protest had more "reasonables" than the Unite the Right.
Just by definition
The key term here is anti facist .
Meaning that fascist had to come first
Remember when TParty ers spit on John Lewis and called him a n*gg*r ?
I don't recall any bothsideisms or calls for leaders of the (R) to denounce those people.
Actually there were (R) Congressman photographed laughing and giving speeches.
57Brave
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Clinton gave an entire speech a year ago on the "radical fringe" she said was taking over the GOP thanks to Trump.
this past week was what the 2016 election was about. Be it empty threats of nuclear attacks or the legitimization of shadow ( wink and nod) fascism
Not email servers or economic anxiety or even tax policy.
What kind of people we are
Maybe it is best we ripped the scab off -- I don't know
Time will tell
Go look at the picture Runnin put up this morning in the parallel thread
Clinton gave an entire speech a year ago on the "radical fringe" she said was taking over the GOP thanks to Trump.
this past week was what the 2016 election was about. Be it empty threats of nuclear attacks or the legitimization of shadow ( wink and nod) fascism
Not email servers or economic anxiety or even tax policy.
What kind of people we are
Maybe it is best we ripped the scab off -- I don't know
Time will tell
Go look at the picture Runnin put up this morning in the parallel thread
sturg33
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My girlfriend's (whom you met) grandfather was in the holocaust and and was in concentration camps - including Auschwitz - for 6 years. I know very well about the symbolism and the emotional outrage it can and should spark.
But the first amendment is there to protect controversial speech. It's not there so we can discuss the weather.
Echoes of Rasputin and the Tsars. If you look at how communist attitudes toward religion evolved from Marxism-Leninism to Stalinism, you see the state transform from outright shunning religion as an "opiate of the masses" to selectively administering that same opiate to manipulate and consolidate power over said masses. And that history is still being written; Putin's 'base' is significantly comprised of members of the Russian Orthodox Church (they call his ascension to power a miracle) and he often caters to them, most recently witnessed in the invasion of Crimea.
sturg33
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The majority of violent protests in this country are perpetrated from the left and groups like antifa. I know you refuse to denounce things like we see at Berkley, but most reasonable people can and do
57Brave
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http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4781&page=196&p=421487#post421487
And with that right comes responsibility. When the authorities do not protect the innocent from people abusing that right, which was the case here -- like anything else the void will be filled..
Did you see Amash statements?
Good for him
And with that right comes responsibility. When the authorities do not protect the innocent from people abusing that right, which was the case here -- like anything else the void will be filled..
Did you see Amash statements?
Good for him
57Brave
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This isn't right or left.
Tax policy, military spending, banking regulation are left and right issues.
And what was the initial issue at Berkley --- same thing ?
A pattern ?