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This is crazy. When I left the house Jones went from +3k lead to Moore +12k.

Left thinking Moore had it wrapped up. How did Jones come back? Outrageous.
 
jpx7 said:
Will heighten the absurd contradictions of the tax bill when corporations and the rich get a tax break and they can't steal from redistribution to pay for it.
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Grumping about contradictions of the tax bill seems a bit lame when you're also grumping about stealing from redistribution.
 
weso1 said:
Would a deep blue state do what Alabama did tonight given the same circumstances? Something to think about. A lot of folks on the left dismiss the conservative south as simpleton moral hypocrites. I hope this helps lead to a renewed respect from those on the left in regards to southern conservatives and I hope they're more willing to consider our arguments and consider maybe that southern conservatives take morality more serious than was thought? Trump might have a rough time winning Bama next election if the left respects the conservative south.
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I'm from Pensacola, born and raised. I don't dismiss folks from the south. But a lot more than a victory for Doug Jones tonight is going to be necessary before I accept that "southern conservatives take morality more serious than" I thought they did. I've personally lived around too much hypocrisy in that regard; much of my family, on one branch, is still actively living that hypocrisy.

Having said that, I absolutely think the left is right to pursue a real (and respectful) strategy in the south, instead of writing it off. And I definitely think Bedell is right that our present moment is an opportunity for both centrist liberals and the left to court Christian voters with a morality that isn't hypocritical, but instead focuses on lifting up and protecting the least of us in a practicable way.

Meanwhile, yes: I do think a "deep blue state" would have elected a milquetoast, centrist Republican over a twice-disbarred, whackadoo (D) with a cloud of sexual misconduct violations hanging over the race. Socially milquetoast, business-friendly (R) candidates get elected into so-called "deep blue" states all the time.
 
weso1 said:
Grumping about contradictions of the tax bill seems a bit lame when you're also grumping about stealing from redistribution.
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Not really, considering I strongly believe in the principle of re-distributive economic policy.
 
Moore mentioned a recount being triggered. Please no. I’m a Republican voter, but you lost and mostly your fault. Concede gracefully
 
jpx7 said:
Not really, considering I strongly believe in the principle of re-distributive economic policy.
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Based on your comments about less desirable elements of your family, I'm guessing that you've seen a fair amount of...leeching, for lack of a better word. I certainly have from similar relatives. How does that impact your thinking in regards to redistributive policies?
 
More evidence that Roy Moore was the worst possible candidate the Republicans could have had in this race. Even in a deep red state like Alabama
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Jaw said:
Based on your comments about less desirable elements of your family, I'm guessing that you've seen a fair amount of...leeching, for lack of a better word. I certainly have from similar relatives. How does that impact your thinking in regards to redistributive policies?
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Jpx think he has a right to the fruit of other's labor.

Sadly, he is far from alone
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
Moore mentioned a recount being triggered. Please no. I’m a Republican voter, but you lost and mostly your fault. Concede gracefully
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He's going to put a Roy Moore spin on Al Franken's path to victory by riding up and pulling previously unknown ballots from his saddlebags, six shooters in both hands and reins in between his teeth.
 
Jaw said:
Based on your comments about less desirable elements of your family, I'm guessing that you've seen a fair amount of...leeching, for lack of a better word. I certainly have from similar relatives. How does that impact your thinking in regards to redistributive policies?
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You guess right, and it doesn't affect my stance. I believe we should guarantee a basically quality-of-life level for all citizens, regardless of some "bad eggs". It's the same reason I reject centrist liberals' complaints about making public university education fully-subsidized, since a few rich kids might benefit from a "free" education they could otherwise afford. I don't believe in means-testing social supports, either way. I want the government to provide a base-level of functional livability, but I still want a people to be able to pursue higher ends and/or standards of living if that is their drive in life.
 
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jpx7 said:
You guess right, and it doesn't affect my stance. I believe we should guarantee a basically quality-of-life level for all citizens, regardless of some "bad eggs". It's the same reason I reject centrist liberals' complaints about making public university education fully-subsidized, since a few rich kids might benefit from a "free" education they could otherwise afford. I don't believe in means-testing social supports, either way. I want the government to provide a base-level of functional livability, but I still want a people to be able to pursue higher ends and/or standards of living if that is their drive in life.
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A safety net as you describe drastically reduces the chances to reach those higher ends.
 
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