Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

thethe said:
If the memo shows that the Dossier was used in obtaining the warrant then do you have any issues?
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If the dossier was solely relied upon to get a FISA warrant, I will be thouroughly surprised and would agree that it would necessitate further review.

For the record, I don't think that will be the case, and doubt that this memo would be the final word, in any case.

Finally, I challenge the notion that the entire investigation hangs on one FISA warrant application.

Fair?
 
Julio3000 said:
If the dossier was solely relied upon to get a FISA warrant, I will be thouroughly surprised and would agree that it would necessitate further review.

For the record, I don't think that will be the case, and doubt that this memo would be the final word, in any case.

Finally, I challenge the notion that the entire investigation hangs on one FISA warrant application.

Fair?
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So I suppose this is your way of saying you are comfortable if it was used as a piece of evidence even though its clear that the FBI has not been able to confirm many material aspects of the Dossier?

The investigation only began because of this warrant. If it was shown that it was obtain through less than savory means then I'm not sure how that isn't a big issue. This is running down a slippery slope that I'm shocked that any of you can condone this. It helped your 'side' this time.
 
thethe said:
The Dossier was characterized by Comey himself as salacious and unverified. To this day we still don't have clarity on what aspects have been verified so we clearly do not know what the FBI was able to vet prior to obtaining the warrant.
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I’m shocked someone actually thinks there’s something to the dossier. I thought everyone realized it was a joke
 
Krgrecw said:
I’m shocked someone actually thinks there’s something to the dossier. I thought everyone realized it was a joke
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There is a sprinkling of fact in there but nothing that comes close to rationale for investigating collusion. The whole memo is Trump did business with Russians/Italians that are connected to organized crime. Therefore, Putin.
 
thethe said:
So I suppose this is your way of saying you are comfortable if it was used as a piece of evidence even though its clear that the FBI has not been able to confirm many material aspects of the Dossier?

The investigation only began because of this warrant. If it was shown that it was obtain through less than savory means then I'm not sure how that isn't a big issue. This is running down a slippery slope that I'm shocked that any of you can condone this. It helped your 'side' this time.
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What you're saying is that the investigation began because of a FISA warrant on Carter Page. Um, ok.

What I'm saying is that there's no reason to believe that information from the dossier, uncorroborated, was used as the basis of a FISC application. If it were, and the application were accepted, I think we'd have a problem.
 
thethe said:
Are you posting this as some sort of counter point to the narrative in the last page? How does this help you? If anything this is just another source that McCabe done ****ed up.
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No. I'm posting it because it's presumably reliable reporting on the topic, and indicates that McCabe had a reason to go that is presumably not flattering.

LOL "how does this help you?"

That says a lot.
 
Julio3000 said:
What you're saying is that the investigation began because of a FISA warrant on Carter Page. Um, ok.

What I'm saying is that there's no reason to believe that information from the dossier, uncorroborated, was used as the basis of a FISC application. If it were, and the application were accepted, I think we'd have a problem.
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How is an indictment obtained on Flynn without the warrant?
 
Julio3000 said:
No. I'm posting it because it's presumably reliable reporting on the topic, and indicates that McCabe had a reason to go that is presumably not flattering.

LOL "how does this help you?"

That says a lot.
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I'm assuming that you posted that as some sort of rebuttal as you have clearly been in the camp that McCabe and the FBI haven't done anything wrong. Sorry for assuming that trend was continuing.

Something is clearly off or else McCabe would not have been forced to step down. Call it what you will but a demotion for a career man like that is effectively saying get the eff out.
 
Seth Abramson
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"I bet one element of the December 2016 FISA application to extend the surveillance warrant on Carter Page was his on-video confession at a Moscow conference that he had been (that week) talking with top Rosneft executives in Moscow—the same ones he earlier lied about speaking to.

Remember, the Steele Dossier alleged Page had been speaking to Rosneft executives about stock. Page claimed he hadn't been. He then conceded to Congress that was a lie. But worse, he went back to Moscow to talk to them *again*. I think the FISC would take serious note of that.

Why does it matter? Because when Rosenstein reauthorized the Page surveillance warrant, he likely had evidence from the surveillance relating to Page's December 2016 trip to Moscow, which confirmed Page was having clandestine contact with the same men the Dossier said he was.

In other words, Trump's plot to use Nunes' memo to get Mueller fired is going to backfire. All we'll end up with is significantly more information about how and why Trump hired a long-suspected Russian spy to join his national security team.

Trump is playing with fire here.

And to be clear, we're speaking of Rosenstein reauthorizing a warrant *application*, as any actual *warrant* has to be approved by a judge (in this case from the FISA court). So this was *not* Rod Rosenstein acting on his own, as Trump allies in the House would like to imply."
 
thethe said:
I'm assuming that you posted that as some sort of rebuttal as you have clearly been in the camp that McCabe and the FBI haven't done anything wrong. Sorry for assuming that trend was continuing.

Something is clearly off or else McCabe would not have been forced to step down. Call it what you will but a demotion for a career man like that is effectively saying get the eff out.
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That's what I get for calling bull**** on unfounded Deep State conspiracies, I guess.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Seth Abramson
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@SethAbramson
9h9 hours ago

"I bet one element of the December 2016 FISA application to extend the surveillance warrant on Carter Page was his on-video confession at a Moscow conference that he had been (that week) talking with top Rosneft executives in Moscow—the same ones he earlier lied about speaking to.

Remember, the Steele Dossier alleged Page had been speaking to Rosneft executives about stock. Page claimed he hadn't been. He then conceded to Congress that was a lie. But worse, he went back to Moscow to talk to them *again*. I think the FISC would take serious note of that.

Why does it matter? Because when Rosenstein reauthorized the Page surveillance warrant, he likely had evidence from the surveillance relating to Page's December 2016 trip to Moscow, which confirmed Page was having clandestine contact with the same men the Dossier said he was.

In other words, Trump's plot to use Nunes' memo to get Mueller fired is going to backfire. All we'll end up with is significantly more information about how and why Trump hired a long-suspected Russian spy to join his national security team.

Trump is playing with fire here.

And to be clear, we're speaking of Rosenstein reauthorizing a warrant *application*, as any actual *warrant* has to be approved by a judge (in this case from the FISA court). So this was *not* Rod Rosenstein acting on his own, as Trump allies in the House would like to imply."
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Gosh, this would be the most flimsy plot in the history of plots.
 
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