2018: The Year Of The Venezuelan Trout

Skeeter31 said:
I wouldn’t. If I believed in my skills like he must, and had an agent that knew what he was doing, I’d wait for arbitration and get paid a bunch more than this deal would offer. And then I’d run for the hills when the contract is over for whoever will offer the most money.
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there is a middle ground that should work for both club and player
 
Skeeter31 said:
I wouldn’t. If I believed in my skills like he must, and had an agent that knew what he was doing, I’d wait for arbitration and get paid a bunch more than this deal would offer. And then I’d run for the hills when the contract is over for whoever will offer the most money.
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There's slightly more involved than "believing in your skills" when it comes to these things - ask Greg Bird.
 
It would of been a record setting deal for a player with no time played at the MLB level. If it was a legit offer I wonder how many FA option years were bought out and at what price.
 
Skeeter31 said:
I wouldn’t. If I believed in my skills like he must, and had an agent that knew what he was doing, I’d wait for arbitration and get paid a bunch more than this deal would offer. And then I’d run for the hills when the contract is over for whoever will offer the most money.
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It's not the skills or talent that I would doubt. I'd take it as an insurance policy that if anything happened, such as a career ending injury, or a catastrophic injury where I wasn't the same, i'm still getting paid.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
It's not the skills or talent that I would doubt. I'd take it as an insurance policy that if anything happened, such as a career ending injury, or a catastrophic injury where I wasn't the same, i'm still getting paid.
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But this is a 20 year old kid that thinks he’s invincible. I’m sure if we make a strong enough offer he’ll wind up accepting but I would hold out for the best ever offer for a contract of this type. This is the consensus #1 prospect in baseball. I agree that injuries can and will happen to everyone but with his skill set it’s much smarter for him to wait for arbitration and free agency. He’ll make a ton more if his skill set works out.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
It's not the skills or talent that I would doubt. I'd take it as an insurance policy that if anything happened, such as a career ending injury, or a catastrophic injury where I wasn't the same, i'm still getting paid.
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I agree.

How much happier would someone be with $400M vs $30M?

Now compare that to how terrible it would be if he blew out his knee 1-2 years from now and earns essentially nothing.

To me, it’s a no brainer.

Agents and the union advocate for players to assume risk in hopes of earning a larger payday. They can do that because they leverage several players careers to mitigate risk. Players only get one career, and if they don’t cash in for life changing money when given the chance, that may be it for them.
 
Enscheff said:
I was told by multiple geniuses around here it would be easy to extend Acuna.
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I think its doable. It has to be significantly more attractive than the Kingery deal. I think one wrinkle the front office should consider is to offer something more than an option for the first FA year. Instead of a $13M option as in the Kingery deal, make it 20M. That is a way of getting him a significant boost in the guaranteed portion of the deal.
 
nsacpi said:
I think its doable. It has to be significantly more attractive than the Kingery deal. I think one wrinkle the front office should consider is to offer something more than an option for the first FA year. Instead of a $13M option as in the Kingery deal, make it 20M. That is a way of getting him a significant boost in the guaranteed portion of the deal.
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They could also guarantee a FA year. Something like 7/45.

I just don’t know if that risk is reasonable.
 
Enscheff said:
I was told by multiple geniuses around here it would be easy to extend Acuna.
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It would have to be way more than 30 million if they did.

Something like 7/70 with two 20+ mil options might make him consider.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm thinking guarantee one FA year at around 20M and also get an option on a second FA year at around 25M.
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I think the important takeaway here is that extending Acuna is going to be nearly impossible, regardless of how much good will the team builds with him.

The whole notion of making him happy by not sending him down to start the year was always pure foolishness. I said as much as folks were saying it, but that never stops them or helps them learn for future discussions.
 
Heyward said:
It would have to be way more than 30 million if they did.

Something like 7/70 with two 20+ mil options might make him consider.
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The thing is that deal is probably still sitting there at the end of the year. It makes sense for the Braves to wait a year to gather more data to mitigate their own risk.

Looking back to last year, I think everyone on this board would have advocated a Kingery extension for Dansby. That would be foolish now.
 
Heyward said:
It would have to be way more than 30 million if they did.

Something like 7/70 with two 20+ mil options might make him consider.
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Why would the Braves guarantee him the same amount of record setting money Bryant made when he assumed all the risk going year to year?

Again, folks are talking about these extensions with no idea about prior precedent setting deals. Of course Acuna would take a guaranteed contract equal to the maximum amount he might make going year to year. No team would ever do that.

6/30 already would have smashed the previous record, and it was rejected. As I’ve said for months, it will be nearly impossible to extend Acuna simply because he will be paid so well in arbitration.
 
Braves clearly had a couple million rattling around for Acuna’s signing bonus that was then used to buy bench fodder when Acuna rejected their offer.
 
From Bowman's latest article: "Acuna's family expressed interest in gaining the financial security that would accompany such a long-term deal. But the informal discussions have not yet led to a formal offer being made by the team."
 
CJ9 said:
From Bowman's latest article: "Acuna's family expressed interest in gaining the financial security that would accompany such a long-term deal. But the informal discussions have not yet led to a formal offer being made by the team."
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Hope that is the case that they have not offered a contract yet and Acuna has rejected it...would love to get him locked up....

Imagine in 4-5 years if we decide we can't keep him, what trade value he would have on what would be a team friendly deal at that point. (by no means saying we would or should trade him, but it does give both the player security and the team security of having that value)
 
Enscheff said:
Braves clearly had a couple million rattling around for Acuna’s signing bonus that was then used to buy bench fodder when Acuna rejected their offer.
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I was wondering when “we can’t afford >$5 million more in 2018” became “but we can throw $1 million at Bourjos and $750k at Flaherty”.
 
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