Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

thethe said:
The idea that they picked them up is around. We still do not know what these communications were and who they were between. To launch this type of investigation they better be of significance.
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But...that's the whole point, isn't it? You're pinning so much of your narrative to the idea that we haven't seen evidence. That's true. But the intelligence and law enforcement personnel involved have. Lawmakers have. Judges have. That doesn't make it a certainty, but it means that there's a hell of a lot more reason to believe one version over the other.
 
Julio3000 said:
But...that's the whole point, isn't it? You're pinning so much of your narrative to the idea that we haven't seen evidence. That's true. But the intelligence and law enforcement personnel involved have. Lawmakers have. Judges have. That doesn't make it a certainty, but it means that there's a hell of a lot more reason to believe one version over the other.
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unless all those people are part of a deep state conspiracy
 
nsacpi said:
dunno...do you...they did get a briefing and presumably asked questions
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But were they allowed to get the nature of the communications or were they told in no uncertain terms that they were bad?

Thats why we need to know more. So many rash conclusions have been made by the collusion crowd and as you peel the onion back you realize that there isn't much.
 
thethe said:
But were they allowed to get the nature of the communications or were they told in no uncertain terms that they were bad?

Thats why we need to know more. So many rash conclusions have been made by the collusion crowd and as you peel the onion back you realize that there isn't much.
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Sure. Everybody wants to know more. But plenty of people with knowledge, including Gowdy and Ryan, think there was a basis to open a counterintelligence investigation. Yet you're not willing to concede that much, or take prominent Republicans at their word for it.
 
Julio3000 said:
Sure. Everybody wants to know more. But plenty of people with knowledge, including Gowdy and Ryan, think there was a basis to open a counterintelligence investigation. Yet you're not willing to concede that much, or take prominent Republicans at their word for it.
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Because there are also several prominent members that do not feel there was sufficient basis and we have also learned time and time again that the FBI has done suspicious things over the last 24 months? Why is that such an outlandish position to take?
 
thethe said:
Because there are also several prominent members that do not feel there was sufficient basis and we have also learned time and time again that the FBI has done suspicious things over the last 24 months? Why is that such an outlandish position to take?
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By other prominent members, I assume you mean Nunes, as he's the only one of similar standing. I weigh the other guys' opinions more because Nunes has thoroughly telegraphed his actions, beginning with obfuscating his meeting w the White House and pretending that he had uncovered SHOCKING new information. Followed by the memo charade, etc ad nauseam. He's been a transparent bad-faith actor throughout. He's tied himself to Trump and is going to sink or swim on that basis. Ryan and Gowdy are retiring and as such are less beholden to pure political calculation. This is JMO, but I think both guys' decisions to pull the cord were at least partially informed by their desire not to be in leadership when the **** hits the fan.
 
nsacpi said:
nice article on Manafartov's buddy, Konstantin Kilimnik

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ale-of-the-man-mueller-calls-person-a/562217/
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This is a good piece. It fleshes out some of the stuff that has mostly just been whispers to this point. It underscores two things which I think may be ultimately important: that Mueller has submitted evidence under seal to substantiate the claim that KK was connected to Russian intelligence through 2016, and that Manafort met with him in August to discuss Deripaska's agenda.

It ends with the chaser that KK has flitted off into Russia.
 
Julio3000 said:
By other prominent members, I assume you mean Nunes, as he's the only one of similar standing. I weigh the other guys' opinions more because Nunes has thoroughly telegraphed his actions, beginning with obfuscating his meeting w the White House and pretending that he had uncovered SHOCKING new information. Followed by the memo charade, etc ad nauseam. He's been a transparent bad-faith actor throughout. He's tied himself to Trump and is going to sink or swim on that basis. Ryan and Gowdy are retiring and as such are less beholden to pure political calculation. This is JMO, but I think both guys' decisions to pull the cord were at least partially informed by their desire not to be in leadership when the **** hits the fan.
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You believe he is a bad faith actor because of your assumption of guilt with trump. Those of us that clearly see what us happening with the prior administration believe that nunes is doing a spectacular job in uncovering the truth. Some of us don't want to believe every lie that the msm wants us to believe.

Memo charade? Wow for anyone that didn't see the importance of what was uncovered there. This is another example of how you refused to believe anything outside of your initial conclusion despite mountains of evidence pointing to this being a setup
 
Julio3000 said:
This is JMO, but I think both guys' decisions to pull the cord were at least partially informed by their desire not to be in leadership when the **** hits the fan.
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That's not only your opinion. It's very curious that so many Rep's are retiring.
 
Asked how Weldon was connected to the campaign, Feinstein’s office would not elaborate, citing the sensitivity of the Judiciary Committee’s ongoing investigation



If I had a dollar....
 
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