2018 DRAFT LIST AND SIGNINGS

Hudson2 said:
We drafted and signed Allard with a legit bad back injury that everybody knew of before the draft and that’s turned out ok to this point.
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He also let our guys check out his medicals before the draft and was always open with the club about it.
 
Hudson2 said:
Why would we draft him if we intended to low ball him and him not sign? I don’t like Coppy but something tells me he would have made it happen.
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Sure... if indeed, this is a really serious injury (and let's face it.... you or I have no clue, so let's stop pretending we do)... you want to just throw him a ton of money anyways? Then great... we're out of the money and wasted a pick and can't get any of it back! Cool!
 
zbhargrove said:
Actually starting to think the odds are better for cheap guys.... here are some of the bigger/most hyped international prospects... a few really good ones, and most busts

Carlos Martinez (very good pitcher with TOR potential)
Sano (shown real glimpses - has not arrived closed to the hype yet)
Vlad (HOFer_
Miggy (HOFer)
Ichiro (obviously was a star)
Jose Abreu (uneven performance, one dimensional player, $10 million bonus)
Gary Sanchez (good player... health issues? struggling now)
Puig (obviously has talent, but we all know the issues)
Moncada (struggling mighty hard for the best international prospect ever)
Eloy (too early to say but early returns look good)
Michael Ynoa (lol)
Adonys Cardona
Luis Heredia
Yoan Lopez (too early to say, but $8 million bonus for a reliever prospect is a little nuts)
Hechavarria (solid career I guess, unspectacular)
Leslie Anderson (huge bust)
Rusney Castillo (lol)
Yasmay Tomas ($14 million signing bonus!)
Yunesky Maya

A few current high dollar Cuban prospects, jury still out (funny the best of these are the two cheapest):
Yusniel Diaz (decent prospect, but $16 million good??)
Luis Robert (hasn't done much as a 20 year old with a combined A and A+ OPS this year of .734 OPS... $26 million...)
Morejon (solid prospect)
Michael Baez (very good prospect)
Yordon Alvarez (very good prospect)
Yadier Alvarez (still early but has disappointed)
Maitan (yeah...)


Then you have all the Asian busts:
Kaz Matsui
Irabu
Kei Igawa
Dice-K (lets face it, he sucked hard after he was figured out)
Fukudome

Compare that with just a small sampling of guys singed $100k and under:
Inciarte
Acuna
Albies
Nelson Cruz
Starlin Castro
Ozuna
Jose Ramirez
Jansen
Schoop
Cano
Salvador Perez

So after doing some research... obviously I'd like to sign the high dollar guys if possible, but I feel like you're spending a ton of money and the percentage of these high dollar guys actually working out looks pretty small. Yet, there are tons of stars who on one had ever heard of when they were signed. We very well could have one or more of those in the DSL/GCL right now.
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This is some extreme cherry picking from an enormous sample of small bonus players.
 
Southcack77 said:
It’s amusing that people have decided the kid’s wrist doesn’t work any more. I guess we will find out soon enough.

I’ve never heard of disabling wrist injuries in a pitcher nor of any great prevalence of them around curve ballers. Is that actually a thing?
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Its pretty obvious the curveball is pretty intensive on the wrist if you have ever been shown how to throw one.... how do you think you get the spin on the ball? It's all in the wrist.
 
mqt said:
This is some extreme cherry picking from an enormous sample of small bonus players.
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I never claimed it wasn't.... the extensive list was of the hyped/large bonus players... that is a pretty comprehensive list and has a large bust percentage. A poster above mine gave a quite longer list and I didn't think it was necessary to repeat all of it. It just doesn't seem to me that large bonus players have a larger success rate, but I'm not going to waste my time and do the statistics on it.
 
thewupk said:
Sure. Would also be helpful to look at said players he didn't draft and what they ended up doing afterwards.
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The two that he didn't sign besides Singer (who was drafted this year obviously), are Beede and Bickford. And neither of those two pitchers have done squat.

Bickford has had a 50 game suspension for banned substances and is a 22 year old still in high A ball. Beede was a barely top 100 prospect going into the 2017 season and has proceeded to get drilled in AAA in the past two seasons with ERAs over 5.5 both years.

It's rather bizarre to try and call AA out for not signing players when both players he didn't sign were busts so far. Singer is obviously a bit different, but it's not exactly fair to blame that one on AA 100% since Singer was always a guy that was likely going to go to Florida.
 
I’m surprised at the guys turning down first round money even though they are being given discounted offers. Maybe I don’t understand the pay structure like I should but it appears to me if a guy is betting on himself the best bet he could make is to sign a contract and start the clock on his service time. The big money in baseball comes by being a young free agent. If you play college you probably won’t see free agency until you are 30 or 31. A high school signee could reach free agency by 27 or 28.
 
Here's how I look at it...the Braves had the 4.9 million to offer. If they didn't reach an agreement with the guy they lose this money so the wrist concern must have been much bigger than thought and the Braves believe they are better off with the number 9 pick next year.
 
This draft was a failure. We essentially traded an 8th pick and a year of development for a 9th pick plus we lost out on the chance to sign Hess. I think that's a failure by any measure. It may work out in the end but this is absolutely not a situation anyone in their right mind would choose.

I will say that saying this draft was a failure doesn't necessarily mean AA and co did anything wrong. Sometimes you can do everything right and it still fall apart. But ultimately, this is not how you want things to go.
 
auyushu said:
The two that he didn't sign besides Singer (who was drafted this year obviously), are Beede and Bickford. And neither of those two pitchers have done squat.

Bickford has had a 50 game suspension for banned substances and is a 22 year old still in high A ball. Beede was a barely top 100 prospect going into the 2017 season and has proceeded to get drilled in AAA in the past two seasons with ERAs over 5.5 both years.

It's rather bizarre to try and call AA out for not signing players when both players he didn't sign were busts so far. Singer is obviously a bit different, but it's not exactly fair to blame that one on AA 100% since Singer was always a guy that was likely going to go to Florida.
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How is it bizarre?? Did you know what they’d turn out to be when they were drafted? Bc in that case maybe you could pass along the powerball numbers for tomorrow night.
 
Hudson2 said:
How is it bizarre?? Did you know what they’d turn out to be when they were drafted? Bc in that case maybe you could pass along the powerball numbers for tomorrow night.
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Clearly AA and his group saw something. I guess you'd rather them give the prospects whatever they wanted regardless if you believed they were worth it or not.
 
Orphan Black said:
Here's how I look at it...the Braves had the 4.9 million to offer. If they didn't reach an agreement with the guy they lose this money so the wrist concern must have been much bigger than thought and the Braves believe they are better off with the number 9 pick next year.
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They don't lose the money though... they end up having a much larger pool of money for next year
 
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