Waiver deals....

Enscheff said:
Wait...what?

Extensions are always signed at a discount over the projected value of the FA years, or no team would ever sign them.

That's the exchange made for guaranteeing years that were previously not guaranteed. The team assumes that risk in exchange for saving cash on 1-2 future FA seasons.
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Market value is probably what I shouldn't have said. But whatever you project those two at I would shave off 1 WAR of their value and sign that extension. I don't think you are going to see any ridiculous savings with either of them. The value will come with having players in their prime and not having the downside of paying them in their decline phase.
 
thewupk said:
Market value is probably what I shouldn't have said. But whatever you project those two at I would shave off 1 WAR of their value and sign that extension. I don't think you are going to see any ridiculous savings with either of them. The value will come with having players in their prime and not having the downside of paying them in their decline phase.
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It took me a bit to understand what you were saying originally. Your other post made it click for me.

Basically, if the extension let's the team pay Freeman $25M for 3 years rather than $25M for 8 years, you're in favor of the "market rate extension".

I mostly agree with the premise, just not the wording. If "market rate" for Freeman is 8/200, then the Braves got a serious discount at 3/75.
 
Enscheff said:
It took me a bit to understand what you were saying originally. Your other post made it click for me.

Basically, if the extension let's the team pay Freeman $25M for 3 years rather than $25M for 8 years, you're in favor of the "market rate extension".

I mostly agree with the premise, just not the wording. If "market rate" for Freeman is 8/200, then the Braves got a serious discount at 3/75.
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That Sam Freeman extension number is bonkers bro
 
Tapate50 said:
That Sam Freeman extension number is bonkers bro
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I was told it would be smart to extend him due to the rising costs of BP arms...

Something along the lines of providing the Braves extra flexibility? I'm not quite sure. The guy who proposed the idea is super smart, and I struggle to keep up with his train of thought.
 
Enscheff said:
It took me a bit to understand what you were saying originally. Your other post made it click for me.

Basically, if the extension let's the team pay Freeman $25M for 3 years rather than $25M for 8 years, you're in favor of the "market rate extension".

I mostly agree with the premise, just not the wording. If "market rate" for Freeman is 8/200, then the Braves got a serious discount at 3/75.
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Pretty much. I'm much more of a believer of those two especially being able to live up to that in their prime instead of paying a 30+ year old on the back side of his career for 2-3 years hoping he can match his previous production.

With that being said who knows how these things will shake out. Last year could be an indication of older players being under valued to a point where they are valuable again.
 
thewupk said:
Votto is likely the best comp. He got 21 million in his 2012 extension. Freeman would of easily gotten 25 million and you'd be paying for a lot of years on the back side of 30. Something that is avoided when you extend young players.
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Votto is a decent comp, though he was (is?) a better player.
 
thewupk said:
Pretty much. I'm much more of a believer of those two especially being able to live up to that in their prime instead of paying a 30+ year old on the back side of his career for 2-3 years hoping he can match his previous production.

With that being said who knows how these things will shake out. Last year could be an indication of older players being under valued to a point where they are valuable again.
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the new market inefficiency ended up being the very same players who were recently marginalized for being an inefficient use of cash?

Mous got $5M as a 2+ win player, so it's already kind of happening.
 
thewupk said:
Pretty much. I'm much more of a believer of those two especially being able to live up to that in their prime instead of paying a 30+ year old on the back side of his career for 2-3 years hoping he can match his previous production.

With that being said who knows how these things will shake out. Last year could be an indication of older players being under valued to a point where they are valuable again.
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Will get to see a few price points this offseason to see what the cost of getting players who are still performing at end of their prime or beginning of post prime, but who weren't locked down to huge deals in their prime looks like in this climate.

AJ Pollock, Josh Donaldson, Grandal off the top of my head.
 
Enscheff said:
Wouldn't it be ironic if the new market inefficiency ended up being the very same players who were recently marginalized for being an inefficient use of cash?

Mous got $5M as a 2+ win player, so it's already kind of happening.
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What did Lucroy settle for?
 
Enscheff said:
MLBTR just put out their list of Top 20 August trade candidates: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/top-20-august-trade-candidates.html

I could see Donaldson, Andrus, Beltre and any of the BP arms as trade candidates for the Braves.

I'm still going out on a limb and guessing the Braves get Donaldson plus cash for a prospect much better than whatever the Jays could get with the 75th pick in the 2019 draft.
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Iglesias -- for his split vs LHP? that would not be too dissimilar from the move to platoon Ender.

Marco Estrada, if free? That's a better option that Teheran/Fried/Allard/etc down the stretch.

I'm not sure where the bullpen stands, but certainly seems like adding something front end or another LHP, might work. Romo/Liriano/Rodney (with control), Clippard might be fine.
 
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