2018 Offseason And Targets

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clvclv said:
You're probably going to have a tough time selling anybody on replacing Gausman with any of the kids (particularly last season) - Soroka was hurt, and Newk and Touki were busy walking half the hitters they saw. You can make a pretty convincing argument that if AA hadn't gone out and gotten him, they wouldn't have made the playoffs.
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You may be right about missing the playoffs, but that wasn't really important for me since we had no shot to win anyway. What was important was to find out who REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend. Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us, too. I can appreciate him for what he was worth, but he's not the type of guy you want starting in a playoff setting.
 
clvclv said:
The problem with this is - who are you going to be able to pawn Julio off on that isn't smart enough to realize they'd save themselves money by simply trading for Gray themselves?
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You could pawn off JT to the Diamondbacks if you take back Greinke or something similar... I made it clear it was unrealistic, I just said I'd only want Gray if he replaces JT and we got a better starter to go with him. There are plenty of creative ways to potentially get rid of JT. Whether they work or not, is another question entirely.
 
CrazyTrain said:
You may be right about missing the playoffs, but that wasn't really important for me since we had no shot to win anyway. What was important was to find out who REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend. Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us, too. I can appreciate him for what he was worth, but he's not the type of guy you want starting in a playoff setting.
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Wow
 
CrazyTrain said:
He's more back of rotation and I'm not arguing that he isn't a innings eater. We just have a few of those already.
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Gausman has been worth about 8 WAR over the past 3 years. That is not a back of the rotation pitcher no matter which way you look at it. He's a solid middle of the rotation pitcher. He gave us 50 innings of sub-3 ERA pitching after leaving the toughest division in baseball. There is plenty of reason to believe that he'll be a solid 3 win pitcher for us next season.
 
CrazyTrain said:
You may be right about missing the playoffs, but that wasn't really important for me since we had no shot to win anyway. What was important was to find out who REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend. Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us, too. I can appreciate him for what he was worth, but he's not the type of guy you want starting in a playoff setting.
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WTF are you talking about? Since when is 2.7 BB/9 a "bad" walk ratio? I'm pretty sure that was the best BB/9 of any pitcher in our rotation last year. The only guy that was even close was Anibal. You're just wrong here.
 
CrazyTrain said:
You may be right about missing the playoffs, but that wasn't really important for me since we had no shot to win anyway. What was important was to find out who REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend. Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us, too. I can appreciate him for what he was worth, but he's not the type of guy you want starting in a playoff setting.
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The pearls just keep on coming!

This genius was able to determine who "REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend" based on a sample size of 4 playoff games! Gausman threw 2 whole innings!

Oh, and a BB/9 of 2.7 is above average for MLB pitchers. Try again, fool.
 
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Speaking of pitching, what is the deal with Jonny Venters? I haven't heard anything about him this offseason. Is there any thought to bringing him back? I'd be happy to have him. He was great while he was here.
 
BeanieAntics said:
Speaking of pitching, what is the deal with Jonny Venters? I haven't heard anything about him this offseason. Is there any thought to bringing him back? I'd be happy to have him. He was great while he was here.
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I thought Venters was under control one more year but now it seems I was wrong?
 
2 points here:
1) Ozzie troll is just that
2) As I inderstand it ( and lord knows I can be wrong) Venters is under control for another year
 
CrazyTrain said:
You may be right about missing the playoffs, but that wasn't really important for me since we had no shot to win anyway. What was important was to find out who REALLY is a rotation arm for the future and who needs to be dealt for the right pieces to actually contend. Gausman had a bad walk ratio for us, too. I can appreciate him for what he was worth, but he's not the type of guy you want starting in a playoff setting.
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Venters is under contract via arb 1 more year, projected to get 1.6 million. Deadline is next Friday to tender players.
 
BeanieAntics said:
Maybe Spotrac is wrong and he is. Right now it says he's an unrestricted FA.

I just haven't heard anything at all on him, which seemed odd.
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BRef has his earliest FA date as 2020. MLBTR projects his 2019 arbitration salary to be $1.5M.

I'm going to guess the Braves control him for 2019, but his extensive injury history may have complicated his service time calculations, so who knows for sure.
 
So what if Camargo was offered instead of Riley.

Not saying I would want to do this at all, but he would surely carry more value than Riley and Riley would be a viable replacement that should perform at a similar level.
 
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